Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Wangming]

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The problem there is not Iridikron for me. It's entirely Alexstrasza. The villain does not owe it to you to expose his plot. But the plot protagonist is supposed to try and find out what he is plotting. What is Alex doing in Valdrakken, sampling cheese at Gorgonzormu's booth? Why is no one seen investigating Iridikron's plans. We got Vyranoth as an ally and now all our focus is on the tree that was very well protected . . . because the Dream is apparently not full of holes like Alterac Swiss and every last villain on Azeroth has managed to get in and corrupt part of it. And we have time to send Vyranoth into diplomatic missions instead of asking her wtf Iridikron is planning.

Characters are only as smart as the writer. And Danuser ain't really the brightest crayon in the toolbox.

[huth]

The problem there is not Iridikron for me. It's entirely Alexstrasza. The villain does not owe it to you to expose his plot. But the plot protagonist is supposed to try and find out what he is plotting. What is Alex doing in Valdrakken, sampling cheese at Gorgonzormu's booth? Why is no one seen investigating Iridikron's plans. We got Vyranoth as an ally and now all our focus is on the tree that was very well protected . . . because the Dream is apparently not full of holes like Alterac Swiss and every last villain on Azeroth has managed to get in and corrupt part of it. And we have time to send Vyranoth into diplomatic missions instead of asking her wtf Iridikron is planning.

Chances are she knows as much about it as we do. And what made you think that Alex is the protagonist? She's probably swamped with paperwork.

[Thomir]

Characters are only as smart as the writer. And Danuser ain't really the brightest crayon in the toolbox.

Indeed Danuser is the poo coloured crayon that was scribbled over your favourite art piece.

[ercarp]

Is there any real reason for why the majority of leaks and theories are so convinced that we're going to Avaloren in 11.0?

[Nymrohd]

Chances are she knows as much about it as we do. And what made you think that Alex is the protagonist? She's probably swamped with paperwork.

I am not saying she should know. But she should be trying to find out. It's not like she is doing anything, she sends us out to do everything so maybe do the admin work.

[Jaggler]

Is there any real reason for why the majority of leaks and theories are so convinced that we're going to Avaloren in 11.0?

Probably because it is like one of the few known landmasses we haven't visited yet.

[Enrif]

Is there any real reason for why the majority of leaks and theories are so convinced that we're going to Avaloren in 11.0?

no "real" reason, but it was a name dropped early in a book into Dragonflight. Same for the Khaz Algar things.

Could be a long way until we see something of that. Or the very next expansion.

[ercarp]

no "real" reason, but it was a name dropped early in a book into Dragonflight. Same for the Khaz Algar things.

Could be a long way until we see something of that. Or the very next expansion.

Interesting. Basically half the leaks have just assumed that Avaloren is the obvious next setting.

Probably because it is like one of the few known landmasses we haven't visited yet.

If we go to a random new location that was just added to the lore before we get to see Tel'Abim, I'll be mildly upset.

[Nymrohd]

Is there any real reason for why the majority of leaks and theories are so convinced that we're going to Avaloren in 11.0?

a) There is a very short list of areas that are known but not explored.
b) There are multiple hints of new lands in DF in every patch. Avaloren and Khaz Algar at the prepatch. Then Nightsquall story supports Avaloren further. Then the tales of that green dragon who flew west.

The expansion has to take place somewhere. A revamp is unlikely, at least not for 11.0. What is left is a small number of unexplored islands and underground areas which are almost all disconnected (though Blizzard absolutely could pick a small area and make an entire expac out of it; they did it with Broken Isles but then they had an extremely strong theme (Burning Legion invasion) and equally strong system (Artifacts and Class Halls) to support it. More importantly, we don't really have anything pointing to them. There are usually plenty of clues in the previous expansions. Dragonflight has given plenty of clues but they all point to new lands and while not all of them point to a land beyond the storming sea (Avaloren), most of them do (Khaz Algar and Elun'ahir are not necessarily connected to Avaloren; the former very likely is elsewhere given that Watchers can observe there while they likely cannot observe Avaloren anymore).

[Wangming]

Is there any real reason for why the majority of leaks and theories are so convinced that we're going to Avaloren in 11.0?

I think it was to narrow down the number of mysterious undiscovered lands.

We know Avaloren exists and is hard to reach
We know there is a land far away covered by storm
We have a datamined Algarian Stormrider (Kinda the only actual hint for 11.0)
We know about Khaz'Algar
We know about the hole left by Elun'ahir.

Now, do we want these places to be all different?

[Skildar]

Chances are she knows as much about it as we do. And what made you think that Alex is the protagonist? She's probably swamped with paperwork.

Nozdormu didn't lay out any plan to prevent the infinites from corrupting him. Kalecgos and Alexstrasza completely gave up on laying out any plan to stop the primalists after failing to prevent their release. Ysera vanished like Malfurion trade off means nothing. The only ones that actually acted were the black dragons.

There is zero actions from the "good" guys that would make them feel potent or worthy of their title. It's useless bolvar all over again

[Jaggler]

Nozdormu didn't lay out any plan to prevent the infinites from corrupting him. Kalecgos and Alexstrasza completely gave up on laying out any plan to stop the primalists after failing to prevent their release. Ysera vanished like Malfurion trade off means nothing. The only ones that actually acted were the black dragons.

There is zero actions from the "good" guys that would make them feel potent or worthy of their title. It's useless bolvar all over again

Well I suppose once the tree is defended etc Ysera will head back to Ardenweald and Malfurion can return, but yeah, i agree that the Aspects/Dragonflights were rather useless this expansioni guess, the blues had to rebuild, so their storyline actually worked and we did some Bronze shenanigans, and the greens get their spotlight in the next patch, but seriously what have the red done?

[Nymrohd]

There is zero actions from the "good" guys that would make them feel potent or worthy of their title. It's useless bolvar all over again

I mean Bolvar was useless though. He lost the Helm which gave him his control of undeath and general psychic skills, he had his martial skills as a paladin but he did not have access to the Light anymore. And he still risked himself multiple times communing with the shards of the Helm and would join us in the front lines.

[Hitei]

Nozdormu didn't lay out any plan to prevent the infinites from corrupting him. Kalecgos and Alexstrasza completely gave up on laying out any plan to stop the primalists after failing to prevent their release. Ysera vanished like Malfurion trade off means nothing. The only ones that actually acted were the black dragons.

There is zero actions from the "good" guys that would make them feel potent or worthy of their title. It's useless bolvar all over again

The dragons have sorta caused more harm than good historically so I'm not sure they really deserved their title to begin with.

[s0elc78]

Spooky in dragonblight? Or this one?

[Wangming]

The dragons have sorta caused more harm than good historically so I'm not sure they really deserved their title to begin with.

Not to mention they lost their Aspect powers at the end of Cataclysm yet we were doing just fine for five expansions. So I'm not sure why it is so bloody important to get them back into their position.

Remind me again why do we have an entire expansion about the Dragonflights besides the vague notion that dragons are cool?

[Azalar]

We know about the hole left by Elun'ahir.

Now, do we want these places to be all different?

There are reasons to believe the hole of Elun'ahir is actually Un'goro. Il'gynoth in the Emerald Nightmare was inside the withered remains of an ancient world tree and the encounter takes place in Un'goro.

It sounds to me like there's something related to the roots of Elun'ahir below that area.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

There is zero actions from the "good" guys that would make them feel potent or worthy of their title. It's useless bolvar all over again

Coalvar got bitch slapped so hard, he will never recover.

[Nymrohd]

Not to mention they lost their Aspect powers at the end of Cataclysm yet we were doing just fine for five expansions. So I'm not sure why it is so bloody important to get them back into their position.

Remind me again why do we have an entire expansion about the Dragonflights besides the vague notion that dragons are cool?

And dragons are only cool when they are fighting armies or other massive creatures in dragon form. Elves that can shapeshift to dragons and live in buildings sized for their elf forms are not that cool.

[Wangming]

And dragons are only cool when they are fighting armies or other massive creatures in dragon form. Elves that can shapeshift to dragons and live in buildings sized for their elf forms are not that cool.

Also a good point. Why do giant fucking lizards not have homes optimized for giant fucking lizards. Especially on their very isolated island away from elves and humans?