Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Magistrate]

That's just incorrect. They say the tree is their home, while being in the dream zone, but the tree is meant to be outside so they are referring to the tree as their (eventual) home.

It is all but confirmed that the tree gets shifted to reality following the raid/patch anyway. Considering there are a lot of Nelf NPCs that are in the 10.2 files but not the zone, they probably all just appear when the new tree zone appears in reality.

Yes, that's what I'm saying and we're in agreement. I'm doing this from my phone and I had a deadline but in short the thing you're saying I'm wrong on I said feciciously to build a point.

[Nightmare Queen]

Don’t think so but I might be wrong. I do know that it had one of the existing Uld-names before they were reused. Either Ulduar or Uldum I think.
If I remember correctly the Titan continent was bigger than Kalimdor in original concept too.

But yeah I think it could be cool if it’s part of what we get west of Kalimdor. Maybe as the remaining Uldaz or something.

EDIT: Found It

The mere fact that this picture is as old as I am hurts me inside.
Also interesting to see that 'Azeroth' was originally the name of the Eastern Kingdoms.

[Well Done Steak]

It would not be used for the simple reason it's not there. The continent of Undermine eventually became the island of Kezan, which we have seen.
The island of Kalimdor, and the continent of Ulduar became the continent Kalimdor. The peninsula of the Dragon Isles became an island.

Should we go back to Kezan and have it be a proper location in WoW? Yes. Should Undermine be a subterranean city underneath? Probably.
Should Undermine become a full expansion based on the tenous connection of Undermine being a continent on an old map? No.

Just because Kezan was not literally called Undermine doesnt change the fact that we have been at that location. The only thing we didnt have is the actual subterranean city, which itself doesnt really make sense with what we have seen of Goblins so far.

I'm on the boat that Undermine is most likely going to be a mega dungeon.

Gallywix is up to something big when he's making deals with brokers so that's probably where we'll see him.

[Myrrh]

What's her purpose, though?

IIRC, a guiding hand for Merithra and general advisor on strategy and the Dream itself. She knows how certain aspects of the Dream work and guides her daughter/us on them.

Someone a few pages back(-ish) also dug up an interview where one of the dev team mentioned exploring Alex/Ysera, I think. That is likely not going to be tested though.

I'm on the boat that Undermine is most likely going to be a mega dungeon.

Mega dungeon makes a lot of sense as a subplot, especially if we're half a world away. They would need to be very careful to distinguish it from Mechagon though.

[doledippers]

IIRC, a guiding hand for Merithra and general advisor on strategy and the Dream itself. She knows how certain aspects of the Dream work and guides her daughter/us on them.

yeah this is accurate. having played thru the available story on the PTR, this is essentially her role in 10.2. Won't go into specifics because of spoilers but, yeah.

[Ferlion]

The way they are framing Amirdrassil in that interview goes against how they are portraying it in game. Lots of Nelves are saying it will be their home, but the devs see it as a "place to rest" before "something new"?

Are they talking about how the Dream Zone is a place to rest before the tree is grown? Or in a meta-sense, Amirdrassil well be the temporary Nelf area before a Hyjal revamp?

Because 8 years(?) and loads of drama to just update Hyjal (something they could've done instantly after BFA) would be insane.

https://www.buffed.de/World-of-Warcr...rview-1431522/

Link to the interview.

I'll be honest, with the phrasing it makes me think they weren't expect the feedback to be so negative, but it was something they were too far in to change. So yeah, at this point I think we can see the idea of them moving again. Which honestly, I kinda dig. There are reasons Blizzard is unlikely to go the route of Hyjal.

[Nightmare Queen]

Every time i see this map and get reminded that Nazjatar has been planned since 1999, i get more angry about the little speck of dirt they presented to us as Nazjatar in BfA.

Tbf, most interesting places in WoW turn out to be there. I wish Zandalar was a Broken Isles-sized landmass/archipelago instead of the ruined island that we got.

[Yunravel]

u guys aren't aware of the new giant landmass next to oh'naran plains with roots in the water ? Its where Amirdrassil will be

[Cheezits]

https://www.buffed.de/World-of-Warcr...rview-1431522/

Link to the interview.

I'll be honest, with the phrasing it makes me think they weren't expect the feedback to be so negative, but it was something they were too far in to change. So yeah, at this point I think we can see the idea of them moving again. Which honestly, I kinda dig. There are reasons Blizzard is unlikely to go the route of Hyjal.

Or Amirdrassil will be their home and capital, but they aren't losing territory in Kalimdor (besides Teldrassil) and will likely have an emblematic "capital"/seat of power there that is a capital in all but name. AKA Hyjal (which will still be neutral but full of Nelves).

It would be crazy to work on the new tree for years and then ignore it because twitter butthurt. Just let the Nelves have two cities.

[Ferlion]

u guys aren't aware of the new giant landmass next to oh'naran plains with roots in the water ? Its where Amirdrassil will be

We know about it, but regardless of that the interview seems to be saying even post that, it's possible it won't be the Night Elves final home.

I have another interview.. Let me dig it up.. that might or might not somewhat actually support this.

[Cheezits]

Also, sounds like the campaign DOES end in Week 2 right after the raid (lol tree), but there's stuff in week 3. Guessing it is Tyr and he is the big link between the expansions.

[pacotaco]

In 2021 Microsoft studio release Age of Empires 4. I don't think they would be against Blizzard RTS sequel. Isometric cRPGs were supposed to be a dying bread, and then came BG3 (and many others before). And SC and WC brands are still huge.

I'd like if they do some single-player game instead of another game as service that adds to the competition of my time. The day only has 24h and I cant add any more game-time to it (even worst when each one tends to force you to keep playing all day only that one).

A Final Fantasy Tactics or a Ruined King telling a sidestory of some NPCs during certain events of WoW (maybe what happened in Azeroth against the undead while we were in the Shadowlands?) would be cool.

[Ferlion]

https://www.well-played.com.au/world...s-in-the-nose/

WP: You feel that long-time night elf players are going to approach this content sort of chewing on their fingernails, going “Not another tree, please don’t let this one get burnt down?”

KB: Yes, and to be honest, I think we’re chewing our fingernails a little bit, like, “Oh gosh, please, please like this, please like this.” You know, you can’t ever replace Teldrassil. It’s too iconic – so we’re not trying to replace Teldrassil. This is a new home potentially for the elves, and so we definitely don’t want that to burn. It’s cool to see everybody banding together to save this world tree from fiery Fyrakk and his forces. He wants to turn it into a tree of malice and fire. He doesn’t necessarily want to burn it down. He wants to grab hold of that moment of transition as it blooms. So it’s going to be interesting to see what the player reaction is to the story we’re telling.

This is an interview from a month ago. There is definitely a shift in the language.

[Well Done Steak]

Mega dungeon makes a lot of sense as a subplot, especially if we're half a world away. They would need to be very careful to distinguish it from Mechagon though.

Oh that's easy.

Mechagon was stopping a doomsday plan to machanize the entire world.

Undermine would be us stopping Gallyeix's plan to use cosmic infused WMDs against someone

[micwini]

People are forgetting that Undermine was originally intended to be a continent in vanilla, so Blizzard already had multiple zones in mind for the landmass.

People are also forgetting to provide a source for their claims

[Alanar]

That's just incorrect. They say the tree is their home, while being in the dream zone, but the tree is meant to be outside so they are referring to the tree as their (eventual) home.

It is all but confirmed that the tree gets shifted to reality following the raid/patch anyway. Considering there are a lot of Nelf NPCs that are in the 10.2 files but not the zone, they probably all just appear when the new tree zone appears in reality.

So they will be sitting next to the tree? Sounds so rediculous to me even after all those years of Teldrassil.

[lanerios]

People are also forgetting to provide a source for their claims

No worries, it's just the usual Undermine/Tinker drivel you see every few weeks here. They see some datamined things and immediatly assume it was fully complete and ready to go.

[Ferlion]

Oh yeah
Also

The title of this interview is "The main story is far from over after patch 10.2.

And..

buffed: Many are currently wondering if 10.2 will conclude the big main story of Dragonflight.

Anne Stickney: We still have a lot of stories to tell. The story isn't over yet, that much we can say.

buffed: The big main storyline?

Anne Stickney: Yes. 10.2 is a big turning point in the story, but it's not the end.

buffed: Thank you very much for your time!

Another hint that 10.2 might not be all there is? Or that next expansion is a direct continuation of DF.

[milkmustache]

Are we still doing the Undermine thing? God damn

[Cheezits]

So they will be sitting next to the tree? Sounds so rediculous to me even after all those years of Teldrassil.

I don't think it's confirmed if it will be a bough city or a root city. There's not a lot of space in the Dream zone for a city, but the tree isn't fully grown.

However they said they aren't trying to replace Teldrassil, so... it's up in the air. If people fucking hate the new city I'm sure they will course correct.