Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Merryck]

If you stop and think for a minute, it's pretty neat that we know for a fact that the expansion will feature Algarian Stormriders, and by extension the earthen of Khaz Algar.

Either way you look at it, that's a pretty awesome premise right off the bat.

What if Algarian is referencing a place called Algaria, not Khaz Algar.

[pacotaco]

Do we really need a new class? Every relevant archetype to WoW has been covered since we got DH; Evokers don't really feel very WoW like to me either

I'd much rather them devote the resources of a new class to the existing classes, and finally give us the extra specs many classes are crying out for

Firstly; EVERY class should have at least 2 dps options

Hunters need old survival back as a 4th spec, Warriors need a gladiator spec, Demon Hunters need a third spec and actually to be finished - it's hilarious evoker got a third spec before DH did

Do we need it? No. We could go with Protection Warrior, Holy Priest and any spec of Rogue you fancy and we could call it done.
Do we want it? Yes.
Do the game need it? Yes, because it's a very great selling point to sell boxes, extra specs don't sell as good.

Why DH need a 3rd spec? Current 2 specs already cover the class fantasy perfectly.
At this point it feels more like a fixation people have to make it fit the pattern of "all classes have at least 3 specs".

[Santandame]

That sounds really believable. If any leaks are real I'm saying it's this.

It’s not real. I made this one up.

[Merryck]

Unlikely but it would be a funny plot twist.

[ChairmanKaga]

If we didn't get necromancer in THE death expansion, we're never getting necromancer.

Necro would have made no sense in SL. We're in the environs of the afterlife(s) and need a class that can raise things from the dead. They made sense in Wrath when we got them as DKs.

[huth]

And we all know how Pandaren lore developed later. Following your analogy we could very well get a a gigantic bard themed continent.

There we have it. Next expansion will be Songs of Bardaria. Or maybe Skaldia, that'd probably fit WoW better.

[ercarp]

It’s not real. I made this one up.

You're @Woweclipse24?

[Santandame]

Not sure why one of the AoS leaks is getting traction. It states Thal’dranath as a max level zone. Thal’dranath is the actual name of the Broken Shore.

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You're @Woweclipse24?

Yeah. Can confirm it’s not real. I formatted it similar to the Legion leak we got during that leak season.

[ercarp]

Not sure why one of the AoS leaks is getting traction. It states Thal’dranath as a max level zone. Thal’dranath is the actual name of the Broken Shore.

To be fair, I didn't know that either until you mentioned it just now. I remember Thal'Dranath being shown on the early map of Broken Isles as a much bigger island before it was cut out. Didn't know they repurposed it into being the real name of the Broken Shore.

EDIT: Edited to add map.

Yeah. Can confirm it’s not real. I formatted it similar to the Legion leak we got during that leak season.

Well I'll be damned. It sounded pretty believable, well done.

[Darkarath]

Not sure why one of the AoS leaks is getting traction. It states Thal’dranath as a max level zone. Thal’dranath is the actual name of the Broken Shore.

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Yeah. Can confirm it’s not real. I formatted it similar to the Legion leak we got during that leak season.

Incorrect.

Thal'dranath was South of the Broken Shore and it was going to be a patch zone. They even show it in the initial map of Legion. Then they decided to not go in that direction.

A pitty IMO, and most important, very concerning. I was schocked at the time. How could they show a zone and then a few months later change it for a completely different thing? I thought at the time that they planned their expansions well in advanced but it seems that I was wrong.

[Reive]

maybe the new expansion is the friends we made along the way

[Azalar]

Incorrect.

Thal'dranath was South of the Broken Shore and It was going to be a patch zone. They even show It in the initial map of Legion. Then they decided to not go in that direction.

A pitty IMO, and most important, very concerning. I was schocked at the time. How could they show a zone and then a few months later change it for a completely different thing? I thought at the time that they planned their expansions well in advanced but It seems that I was wrong.

Because it wasn't changed for a completely different thing, it was turned into the Broken Shore

[pacotaco]

The most compelling tinker idea I've heard is just giving them a permanent mech akin to mekkatorque; it could even double as a ground and flying mount when out of combat - and with the evoker customisation, tinkers could get the same

They could even get a DVA mechanic as in if you die, your mech dies, and if you can get off a very long cast time (10seconds) you can redeploy it and carry on without actually dying

Of course you'd have to get like a 90% health and damage debuff when in your *normal* form during this time

Yeah, that is how I envision them. Taking inspiration of the kits from HotS:
- Tank: like D.Va
- DPS: like Junkrat
- Healer: like a mix of Ana and Lt. Morales

Which is actually very similar to how are depicted in Island Expeditions.

[Santandame]

Incorrect.

Thal'dranath was South of the Broken Shore and It was going to be a patch zone. They even show It in the initial map of Legion. Then they decided to not go in that direction.

A pitty IMO, and most important, very concerning. I was schocked at the time. How could they show a zone and then a few months later change it for a completely different thing? I thought at the time that they planned their expansions well in advanced but It seems that I was wrong.

Uno reverse. Incorrect back at you.

“The Broken Shore, originally known as Thal'dranath,[2] is where the Tomb of Sargeras - and thus the Burning Legion's gateway into Azeroth - is located. Gul'dan raised this island up from the bottom of the sea during the Second War,[3][4] and it served as the demonic army's base of operations during the Third invasion of the Burning Legion.“

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Broken_Shore

It was also stated in the Tomb of Sargeras audio drama featuring Gul’dan and Khadgar.

[Azalar]

Yeah, that is how I envision them. Taking inspiration of the kits from HotS:
- Tank: like D.Va
- DPS: like Junkrat
- Healer: like a mix of Ana and Lt. Morales

Which is actually very similar to how are depicted in Island Expeditions.

I have something just like that here in the Nexus doc with the same inspirations because it's cool and makes sense xD

Ahhh... this reminds me I should explain all this stuff in the Nexus thread too.

[Nymrohd]

Incorrect.

Thal'dranath was South of the Broken Shore and it was going to be a patch zone. They even show it in the initial map of Legion. Then they decided to not go in that direction.

A pitty IMO, and most important, very concerning. I was schocked at the time. How could they show a zone and then a few months later change it for a completely different thing? I thought at the time that they planned their expansions well in advanced but it seems that I was wrong.

They never developed it. We've seen cut content before, Thal'dranath was barely the outline of an island with no textures or anything. It was no Abyssal Maw. They realized they already had enough night elf ruins in the Broken Isles to add yet another zone of them.

Honestly, people need to realize that in any project, there will be plenty of cut content. And it is not always cut because there is no time to develop it. Some times the concept was just bad and they failed to realize that until they had already used resources on it so we all get to datamine and wonder what could be.

[Darkarath]

Uno reverse. Incorrect back at you.

“The Broken Shore, originally known as Thal'dranath,[2] is where the Tomb of Sargeras - and thus the Burning Legion's gateway into Azeroth - is located. Gul'dan raised this island up from the bottom of the sea during the Second War,[3][4] and it served as the demonic army's base of operations during the Third invasion of the Burning Legion.“

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Broken_Shore

It was also stated in the Tomb of Sargeras audio drama featuring Gul’dan and Khadgar.

Again, see the map that they initially showed at Blizzcon:



The original plan was that they were two different zones as you can see. Then they changed their mind, which again, I found extremely concerning at the time.

[ercarp]

This version of Thal'Dranath has been retconned out of existence and the name has been repurposed to be the original name of the Broken Shore. Which makes it extremely unlikely (borderline impossible) that we would get the full Thal'Dranath as a zone in a later expansion.

Thal'Dranath was originally conceived and announced as a large island located to the southeast of the Broken Shore, which was to be featured in post-launch content for Legion. It was planned to be an area dotted with ancient night elf ruins with a Burning Legion presence, but was scrapped during development in favor of more interesting ideas, as Blizzard felt that the theme was already adequately explored in other zones on the Broken Isles. Its name was later repurposed as the original Darnassian name for the Broken Shore.

[Santandame]

Again, see the map that they initially showed at Blizzcon:



The original plan was that they were two different zones as you can see. Then they changed their mind, which again, I found extremely concerning at the time.

I’m not doubting any of that.

But Thal’dranath is literally the name of the Broken Shore. The original plan for Thal’dranath was scrapped in development and replaced with Argus.

The official name of the Broken Shore in the lore is Thal’dranath.

[Kiria]

Hmmmm Tinker?

What the hell, why not, might actually convince me to make a Gnome for the first time since the game launch.