Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Hitei]

Where did this megazone idea come from? I've seen it pop up throughout this thread.. Is there some hints to it in game or is this a fan revamp theory that everyone decided to run with?

There's nothing to suggest it, it's just a logistical assumption.

Basically, one of the glaring problems with the idea of an expansion that is purely a revamp (rather than Cata's revamp+max zones), is that EK and Kalimdor zones are generally (ignoring a couple exceptions) extremely tiny and self contained. Something like Westfall or Durotar is basically just a modern subzone. And with dragonriding, you can cross a bunch of the old zones in well under a minute.

So the question comes up, "what do you do about that". Do you massively scale up the world as part of the revamp? Like double the size of old zones so that you can maintain Elwynn feeling like a big forest instead of some woods, and Tanaris or the Barrens feeling like endless dry lands?

One of the solutions, though it doesn't really solve anything is to instead keep the zones at their current size, but stitch them together. If westfall is subzone sized, just make it a subzone and all of that area is on one map called "Stormwind" and then it hypothetically feels like a large area even if it's just a patchwork of small areas.

[Teriz]

It must be some kind of forum blood feud that's gotten out of control. I know that goblins and gnomes are not the most popular races, but there's no way people hate Tinkers this much.

Personally I think goblins and gnomes actually have some really cool lore. The problem is that Blizzard's writers ignore this and use them as comic relief instead. Same happened with Pandaren.

Every time a future class poll is brought up on this forum, Tinkers win handily. The hate is coming from a vocal minority and that's it.

[Cheezits]

Where did this megazone idea come from? I've seen it pop up throughout this thread.. Is there some hints to it in game or is this a fan revamp theory that everyone decided to run with?

The idea is, post Dragonflight, old zone sizes wouldn't cut it as new content releases. And they are smaller than old expansions as well.

[arrantprac]

My hope is that Khaz Algar is the next Suramar. A vast dwarven city with a void/old god threat instead of fel/demons.

[Hitei]

@ercarp

22mage supposed leak for the spreadsheet
-Khaz Algar, far away and underground, "elemental", potentially new capital city
-New races ("Storm earth and fire"), use dwarf skeleton but look very different
-EK revamp
-New glyph system
-Shamans for all races
-Demon Hunter new spec, DPS?, "tormenting"

[Chickat]

I'm still surprised how some people did not manage to pick up on the old god themes in 8.0. They weren't exactly hidden in Stormsong.

They are also wrong. Data mining showed that the way 8.3 existed isn't how they originally planned. Nzoth was going to merge with Nazjatar. Likely for 8.3. Ofc I have no proof of that, but 8.3 having no new zone was probably due to cut rushed content, or at least a change in how their initial direction was going to go.

Nzoths body was going to be TWICE the size of Nazjatar.

[Merryck]

What is your obsession with the Titans? You have made the same post basically 10 times in the past few weeks.

I'm not obsessed with the Titans but I appreciate their aesthetic which Danuser has been muddying with his fragility. And for the record when I say fragility I'm referring to his ego - he can't stand that his predecessors created a badass cosmos which isn't his, so he's tearing it down to make way for his flaccid vision. The Titans will most likely all be killed soon and replaced by a pantheon of girl bosses. Makers protect us.

[Myrrh]

I'm not obsessed with the Titans but I appreciate their aesthetic which Danuser has been muddying with his fragility. And for the record when I say fragility I'm referring to his ego - he can't stand that his predecessors created a badass cosmos which isn't his, so he's tearing it down to make way for his flaccid vision. The Titans will most likely all be killed soon and replaced by a pantheon of girl bosses. Makers protect us.

I'm no fan of Danuser, but this is being a little dramatic.

[Hitei]

I'm not obsessed with the Titans but I appreciate their aesthetic which Danuser has been muddying with his fragility. And for the record when I say fragility I'm referring to his ego- he can't stand that his predecessors created a badass cosmos which isn't his, so he's tearing it down to make way for his flaccid vision. The Titans will most likely all be killed soon and replaced by a pantheon of girl bosses. Makers protect us.

Hilarious lack of self-awareness.

[KyleEverett]

I'm not obsessed with the Titans but I appreciate their aesthetic which Danuser has been muddying with his fragility. And for the record when I say fragility I'm referring to his ego - he can't stand that his predecessors created a badass cosmos which isn't his, so he's tearing it down to make way for his flaccid vision. The Titans will most likely all be killed soon and replaced by a pantheon of girl bosses. Makers protect us.

Lay off the misogyny.

[PotHockets]

I'm not obsessed with the Titans but I appreciate their aesthetic which Danuser has been muddying with his fragility. And for the record when I say fragility I'm referring to his ego - he can't stand that his predecessors created a badass cosmos which isn't his, so he's tearing it down to make way for his flaccid vision. The Titans will most likely all be killed soon and replaced by a pantheon of girl bosses. Makers protect us.

Sounds incredibly based

[Merryck]

I'm no fan of Danuser, but this is being a little dramatic.

He's retroactively adding new lore that make out the Titans to be villains (his cringy journals) so that it's justified when Iridikron kills them. All to make more room for their narrative replacement, the First Ones - his creation.

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Lay off the misogyny.

This is dramatic

[Chickat]

The problem is, WoW tries to be FFXIV but has neither the technology nor the writer talent to make people standing around and talking fun. If they left the contemplation and complexity to Creative Business Unit III and just stick to badass people doing badass stuff driven by rule of cool, it would at least be authentic.

It feels like WoW writers are highschool English teachers with a creative side. I will say most Side quests and one off small stories are pretty good. Its the broad overarching story thats bad. Guess which one Metzen is better at?

Metzen is good at big picture stuff like the main plot points and world building. WoW writers are good at small enclosed local stories. Hopefully with Metzen back, the big picture stuff will improve. If they can gt back to Legion levels of big picture expansion storytelling it will be fine. Still not amazing, but decent. That plus lots of good side quests and local stories and WoW might have a decent little narrative run for each expansion.

Call it copium but im willing to bet 11.0 will be a lot better. Bellular knows people and has said that some new gen devs and im guessing mostly writers are unhappy with Metzen being back because they like the new BFA/SL/DF direction of WoW stories that they have made. Which means Metzen is prob making big changes to the larger stories and the newer devs feel insulted.

[KyleEverett]

The Titans aren't villains, but it's been a long time thread that the forces aren't our friends. They all have their own ideas about what to do with reality and a lot of it requires using us as tools. The Light was this way in Legion and that was when Afrasiabi was still there.

[Chickat]

Wow you really would be merging a lot of zones per mega zone to only go for 5-6 per continent.

Yeah 3-5 zones at a time. It makes sense to merge certain ones. Like the entire left Middle side of Kalimdor. The barrens, 1k needles, Durotar, Duskwallow. etc.

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I would be highly disappointed since it should be a multi-zoned location. There's simply too much lore there for it to be a single zoned location or a raid.



Check my sig. I have a wide variety of WoW-related interests.

Well, I really dont see more than 1 zone happening, but feel free to tell me I'm wrong if it does.

[PotHockets]

Yeah 3-5 zones at a time. It makes sense to merge certain ones. Like the entire left Middle side of Kalimdor. The barrens, 1k needles, Durotar, Duskwallow. etc.

1k needles should be with Southern Kalimdor. It's the perfect spot for a zone transition.

[Myrrh]

The Titans aren't villains, but it's been a long time thread that the forces aren't our friends. They all have their own ideas about what to do with reality and a lot of it requires using us as tools. The Light was this way in Legion and that was when Afrasiabi was still there.

Pretty much. Remember Algalon's directive was literally to reset the whole planet by first pressing the delete key if it strayed from the path the Titans believed in. They are true to their nature, that's all. Even Sargeras in his own way was seeking to order the Universe, he just took it to the absolute extreme interpretation after losing his marbles.

The difference is that the lesser constructs and keepers were more susceptable to emotion, and have therefore been able to be convinced by the mortal tenacity for life.

[Chickat]

I'm not obsessed with the Titans but I appreciate their aesthetic which Danuser has been muddying with his fragility. And for the record when I say fragility I'm referring to his ego - he can't stand that his predecessors created a badass cosmos which isn't his, so he's tearing it down to make way for his flaccid vision. The Titans will most likely all be killed soon and replaced by a pantheon of girl bosses. Makers protect us.

I really dont think thats going to happen. It has been obvious since at least Wrath if not Cata that the Titans were not the good guys. They are just another cosmic force. They would chew us up and spit us out to have even a small benefit for themselves.

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1k needles should be with Southern Kalimdor. It's the perfect spot for a zone transition.

Sure, I was iffy on including it or not, but there is quite a lot of zones in the South. It would require the South to be split some with it. Anyways, I suppose it doesn't matter. I don't see it happening.

[Cheezits]

Pretty much. Remember Algalon's directive was literally to reset the whole planet by first pressing the delete key if it strayed from the path the Titans believed in. They are true to their nature, that's all. Even Sargeras in his own way was seeking to order the Universe, he just took it to the absolute extreme interpretation after losing his marbles.

The difference is that the lesser constructs and keepers were more susceptable to emotion, and have therefore been able to be convinced by the mortal tenacity for life.

This. The theme of Post-Legion WoW is No Gods, No Master, Only Man... and maybe Elune, if she's cool.

WOTLK seeded the idea that Titans may have their own thing going on, and post-Legion has been about "hey maybe we shouldn't be just Titan slaves". DF just made it very obvious with the overt tyranny of Odyn in the lore book (his shittyness was apparent in the Chronicles) and the seeds that maybe Tyr is shitty too.

OFC, they can always go against this by having the Titans come back and destroy Odyn and Tyr/free Helya, which would be an interesting turn.

[Merryck]

The Titans aren't villains, but it's been a long time thread that the forces aren't our friends. They all have their own ideas about what to do with reality and a lot of it requires using us as tools. The Light was this way in Legion and that was when Afrasiabi was still there.

Danuser doesn't understand the nuance. They are neither heroes nor villains, they're dispassionate creators above mortal comprehension whose goals happen to align with ours. It's so bizarre for Aman'thul to have a tantrum over a tree and leave Eonar sobbing. That is so far removed from how the Titans have been portrayed in the past.