Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[DiscipleofCazicThule]

Sale of Azeroth.
Gallywix is back after finding a cosmic buyer for the planet, it turns out it's team void.

I'm not going to lie, an expansion based on an invading force arriving to Azeroth because they thought they legally purchased it from the goblins or brokers or ethereals or whatever would be pretty funny. We end up fighting off hordes of demonic real estate agents as the big bad based off a misunderstanding or something.

[Chickat]

Same honestly. I really just want them to do a full on 2-3 part revamp expansion at this point. As in it happens over the course of 3 expansions because realistically in order to revamp it and have it actually still feel like a massive world it would have to be like 4 expansions worth of continent size.

How do they do that and have the dragon change timelines? Id imagine it would have to be a completely new map. You could talk to someone in any major city to change the continent to the past. They couldn't do it on a zone by zone basis anymore if the zones arent the same size and shape anymore id imagine.

[Hitei]

Are all the new races from EK zones or also new ones?

Supposedly from Khaz Algar.

cant say much.

You've already openly talked about it. Like I said, there's no plausible deniability here. If you're telling the truth, you've already mentioned enough stuff to be specifically identifiable as someone leaking actual information, there's no "can't say much" at this point.

lands of conflicts revamps are like broken isles and algar is like suramar. algar is shown to be very very deep and far when going to it. hope this makes sense.

Not really? Suramar was part of the Broken Isles and the Broken Isles themselves were a new zone. If they wanted to have a "city zone" they could have just used revamped Stratholme, Shadowforge City, Gilneas, Zul'Gurub, etc. And if they wanted to mimic Cata and add new zones so that there's new places to explore, they'd add more than just the single zone. Feels odd that they'd instead opt for an unrelated, disconnected, singular zone.

[Chickat]

But it isn't. That's the whole point.

We have literally seen this exact situation with them in their very first incarnation: Sargeras thought he was right, made an executive decision (cutting a planet in half and deciding to wage war against the universe) and the others were horrified and shocked. Now you have Aman'thul, thinking he is right, making an executive decision insiginificant in comparison, ripping apart one tree, (just like he did with Y'shaarj despite not knowing how it might harm the planet, so I don't know why we're pretending this is out of character) and another Titan being horrified and saddened by it.

Nothing has changed here. The Titans started off making extremely questionable choices and able to quickly be at odds with each other, the Titans continued to make questionable choices, and here we are, finding out that yet another questionable choice was made and that they can get in fights.

Yeah imo the Titans are one of the last remaining pieces of lore still written correctly. Anything Titan related is still good imo.

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Potentially an elemental beast, much like the flame owl that drops from mythic Fyrakk.

An elemental Storm Gryphon would be sick NGL.

[Kiivar86]

Not really? Suramar was part of the Broken Isles and the Broken Isles themselves were a new zone. If they wanted to have a "city zone" they could have just used revamped Stratholme, Shadowforge City, Gilneas, Zul'Gurub, etc. And if they wanted to mimic Cata and add new zones so that there's new places to explore, they'd add more than just the single zone. Feels odd that they'd instead opt for an unrelated, disconnected, singular zone.

Especially as you'd think they'd have learned their lesson from Cataclysm that they re-learned in Shadowlands - disconnected zones suck.

[Izalla]

I'm not going to lie, an expansion based on an invading force arriving to Azeroth because they thought they legally purchased it from the goblins or brokers or ethereals or whatever would be pretty funny. We end up fighting off hordes of demonic real estate agents as the big bad based off a misunderstanding or something.

You deserve to be hired ASAP.

[Kiivar86]

I'm not going to lie, an expansion based on an invading force arriving to Azeroth because they thought they legally purchased it from the goblins or brokers or ethereals or whatever would be pretty funny. We end up fighting off hordes of demonic real estate agents as the big bad based off a misunderstanding or something.

Hell, Frieza from DBZ is based on real estate speculators. It can work pretty well!

[KyleEverett]

If he's legit, it sounds like he says the expansion will be 90% Eastern Kingdoms revamp, but somewhere there'll be a large opening deep into the earth where we find Khaz Algar that we fly straight down vs the winding narrow path of Zaralek. I suppose that could happen in the Baradin Bay.

Only thing that I would worry about is how would Blizzard be okay with revamping Stormwind, but not Orgrimmar at the same time.

[Enrif]

If he's legit, it sounds like he says the expansion will be 90% Eastern Kingdoms revamp, but somewhere there'll be a large opening deep into the earth where we find Khaz Algar that we fly straight down vs the winding narrow path of Zaralek. I suppose that could happen in the Baradin Bay.

Only thing that I would worry about is how would Blizzard be okay with revamping Stormwind, but not Orgrimmar at the same time.

Sounds to me that @22mage22 tries the Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom Chasms to explain. Long deep drops into an underground area.

Well, if Stormwind, Ironforge and Gilneas are remade, the horde surely would get Undercity and Silvermoon in such a revamp. right?

[Eeram]

Why are people thinking this 22mage guy is some insider? he hasn't said anything befor hand that would make sense.
his also first post was "11.0 is elemental" then the next one was "a lil elemental but not a major theme"

[D4NNYB0Y]

Why are people thinking this 22mage guy is some insider? he hasn't said anything befor hand that would make sense.
his also first post was "11.0 is elemental" then the next one was "a lil elemental but not a major theme"

What else is there to discuss? Leaks have dried up, and we still have 2 weeks to go.

[Ferlion]

I can't see them doing a partial world revamp.

[Chickat]

Im only 24 hours behind now!

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No he definitely did, he's been back for a year and apparently is heavily involved with this one. However Metzen has clearly grown as a person and doesn't want to tell the same stories in the same way and anyone that thinks he's gonna go back to whatever imaginary golden age of lore they think exists are kidding themselves.

Sure but i see him as a good middle ground between warcraft 3 and Shadowlands lore wise.

Hes Legion and Legion lore is fine.

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The lore when Metzen was in charge last was not the golden age, but anything would be better than what came after. It would be a bonus if he's grown and changed as a storyteller and we'll get lore that's better than the shit he was shitting out in Cataclysm and WoD.

MoP was the peak of WoW lore imo.

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Just went over Scaleface's pics to emphasize that they look very Outlandish and spacey. Even undergroundy to some extent.

Wasn't he just trolling us, or do we think those could be actual hints? They are obviously ai images.

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I see. Well, I'm giving the "screenshots" the benefit of the doubt that they could still be clues of what's to come despite being obviously AI generated.

It could be cool to get 1 very voidy zone but i would HATE if every zone next xpac is just covered in purple splatoon slime.

[matijwow]

I'm not going to lie, an expansion based on an invading force arriving to Azeroth because they thought they legally purchased it from the goblins or brokers or ethereals or whatever would be pretty funny. We end up fighting off hordes of demonic real estate agents as the big bad based off a misunderstanding or something.

Something similar happened with the quest "Prevent the Accord" in Wrath. Malygos made some deal with the ethereals and then in Legion they should up to claim the Nexus.

[Myrrh]

What's unbelievable or debunkable about the first "Eclipse" from July?

What part of it seems believable? It's half written as a casual description, and half as if it is the promo material itself. Also Ava'Loren.

zaralek entrance is small, algar entrance goes down very far. hard for me to explain without showing. like going down to the center.

Get your MS Paint on then friendo. Show us them skillz. I think this is nonsense, honestly, but if there is anything this thread really needs it is 'leakers' providing their own poorly made Paint diagrams.

some people private messaged about specs.
i dont know if shamans getting one. because all race get shamans i thought yes, but instead we get is demon hunters spec that is like evoker but melee with glaives but middle ranged sycthe spells. instead of eating souls you torment them.

Also, scythes in WoW are a mishmash of polearms, staves and 2H axes, the vast bulk of which are not scythes. Short of creating yet another unique weapon type for DHs (as a DH main, top kek), this would leave these scythe wielders more-often-than-not actually not wielding scythes. Seems like an odd thing to tie to such a spec :thinking:

[Revamp Man]

Okay, that's pretty weird indeed. Based on this, Shadow of Azeroth suddenly seems like the most obvious choice for the expansion title. Is there a reason why it's not being taken seriously?

Because voildelf and stuff like that isn't uncommon
Looking at you karazhan 2 electric boogaloo

[PotHockets]

Sure but i see him as a good middle ground between warcraft 3 and Shadowlands lore wise.

Hes Legion and Legion lore is fine.

As long as it's Legion without the stupid ass Faction conflict then I'm okay with Legion lore.

[Revamp Man]

Nothingness is a concept of Void.

Nope
Void is not the same
Void is in the cycle with light
A naaru falls and you get a Void being
You can't destroy energy

I guess the best way to explain this beyond the mythology part someone already pointed out is

Void is an absence of something
1-1=0

But Nothing is
1÷0=null

Because the concept of dividing by nothing doesn't exist

This is why even the Void doesn't like the 7th force because it can destroy the Void

[Ebonn]

I just can’t see Khaz Algar being in the EK. The original place we learn of its existence explicitly states that the Earthen/Dwarf people there evolved similarly despite being separated by great distance and time. In the EK would be as close as possible to all the others lol.

[Enrif]

Also Ava'Loren.

i thought about that, and why not. Tyr's Fall is now known as Tirisfal. I'm sure there are other things in the lore that had a similar but different name once, but changed. And the piece that mentions Avaloren is very old. People could have named it differently over time.