Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Lady Atia]

Pretty sure MU Yrel was Maraads dead wife.

But idk if that context got past wod alpha or not.

Pretty sure she was supposed to be the daughter of either Archimonde or KJ. I never heard anything about her being his wife lol.

[Myrrh]

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...1-0-Titanforge

Titanforge

This one deserves a bit of credit, as I think it pitched the idea of Stormriding before we even had the datamined Heroic edition mount.

Edit: also before Keyboardturn on Twitter started tweeting mysterious gryphon textures etc.

The OP seems to just randomly throw out stuff in the lead up to each expansion, you can see it in his post history. Perhaps less a credit-worthy pitch and more a scattergun approach.

[Noirebene]

Can someone link the russian dude who supposedly confirms the diablo leak?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROeOmAJAQBE&t

If anyone speaks russian...

[Shamolo]

Pretty sure she was supposed to be the daughter of either Archimonde or KJ. I never heard anything about her being his wife lol.

People assumed that Maraad and her had a relationship in the MU back around the time of WoD Alpha/Beta when Maraad had a lot more flirty/protective dialogue for her in one of the original Gorgrond builds. Before any form of relationship got scrapped as the builds progressed.

[Wangming]

People assumed that Maraad and her had a relationship in the MU back around the time of WoD Alpha/Beta when Maraad had a lot more flirty/protective dialogue for her in one of the original Gorgrond builds. Before any form of relationship got scrapped as the builds progressed.

Dunno why they did that. More connections between characters is a good thing IMO.

[Lady Atia]

People assumed that Maraad and her had a relationship in the MU back around the time of WoD Alpha/Beta when Maraad had a lot more flirty/protective dialogue for her in one of the original Gorgrond builds. Before any form of relationship got scrapped as the builds progressed.

I remember the relationship thing in early builds, but nothing that would have indicated that he met her in the MU.

Later some people even thought they changed it because maybe Yrel was Maraads' AU variant lol. (which is funny, as Loki literally did the variants fall in love thing years later)

[Shamolo]

Dunno why they did that. More connections between characters is a good thing IMO.

Just one of the many odd narrative changes between WoD beta and Live. It's like the Kargath's fate being changed just a few weeks before live version of WoD, despite living in the Highmaul beta tests. If I was to guess they originally changed it internally at some point to try and very much define Yrel as her own character instead of having her heavily tied to others, but then the rest of WoD happened and well the rest of history.
Personally hoping they bring her back in one of the next few expansions so she can actually get time to properly develop as a character for once.

I remember the relationship thing in early builds, but nothing that would have indicated that he met her in the MU.

Later some people even thought they changed it because maybe Yrel was Maraads' AU variant lol. (which is funny, as Loki literally did the variants fall in love thing years later)

Although, I must concede there, there was never major evidence for Yrel being in a relationship with Maraad in the MU, but I do think between this and the whole Yrel's dark secret thing the devs were mentioning for a while leading up to WoD, it left peoples minds to speculate heavily on possibilities.

[Skildar]

Shadows of Avaloren has been leaked already?

[GhostFish]

What part of it seems believable? It's half written as a casual description, and half as if it is the promo material itself. Also Ava'Loren.

I'm not sure why those things would discredit it. A leak could be bits and pieces compiled from separate sources. Some of it could be copy-pasted from official overview, some of it could be added in from memory.

Avaloren is the spelling that we're familiar with from an ancient document written by a Watcher. That doesn't have to be the exact same name or spelling that the locals or others give to it.

The part about the leak that seems credible to me is how it would appeal to new players. It's a fresh continent, with a different history. The game is 20 years old, and it needs to appeal to a literally new generation of players to survive.

At the same time, it tries to keep the current player base happy by branching off of established but unvisited lore about the emergence of Night Elves from Trolls. It offers up exploration of the nature of Elune. It offers a personalizable spot in the world that won't be as isolated as previous iterations. It offers the ability to customize the appearance and feel of class abilities without changing their mechanics. More personalization and ownership keeps people invested, even if it's largely cosmetic.

[Raetary]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROeOmAJAQBE&t

If anyone speaks russian...

Auto caps work pretty well in the video.

Basically all the stuff that got datamined are the same as mentioned in the leak.

Kurast as a new location (specifically sewers)
"Spiritborne" named files in the same context as other classes.
Raids mentioned in the files.
Bunch of new mercs.

Though the leak appeared on the same day as the video got uploaded, so the person could've very well just watched the same video just posted it as their own leak on here.

[Noirebene]

Auto caps work pretty well in the video.
Though the leak appeared on the same day as the video got uploaded, so the person could've very well just watched the same video just posted it as their own leak on here.

I'm thinking the same : guy on MMO-Champion could be trolling us the wow line

[locketto]

all the names so far are disappointing

need something like

The Black Empire
Armageddon (if world revamp)
Shattering of Azeroth (Soa)

Shadowflame Prophecy Sect (SPS)
Felstorm Harbingers
Necrotic Plaguebringers (NPB)
Endless Void (EV)
Fel-infused Extinction (FIE)
Dreadlord Ascendance (DLA)
Soul-devouring Legion (SDL)
Destruction's Wake Force (DWF)
Ruination's Shadowfall (RSF)
Fel-forged Annihilation (FFA)
Harbingers of Doom (HOD)
The Void's Embrace (TVE)
Azeroth's Unraveling (AU)

[Dismayxz]

all the names so far are disappointing

need something like

The Black Empire
Armageddon (if world revamp)
Shattering of Azeroth (Soa)

Shadowflame Prophecy Sect (SPS)
Felstorm Harbingers
Necrotic Plaguebringers (NPB)
Endless Void (EV)
Fel-infused Extinction (FIE)
Dreadlord Ascendance (DLA)
Soul-devouring Legion (SDL)
Destruction's Wake Force (DWF)
Ruination's Shadowfall (RSF)
Fel-forged Annihilation (FFA)
Harbingers of Doom (HOD)
The Void's Embrace (TVE)
Azeroth's Unraveling (AU)

There's something to be said about Blizzard titles and leak titles, but these just sound like the lineup of an ingame death metal concert, past the first three, which don't really leave much up to imagination.

[shallelol]

SoA = Shad Owl Ands

[Nightshade711]

Shame that we don’t have a whole lot of legit sounding leaks this time around. Nothing like “Empire of Dragons”
(Or explosion of dragons)

Closest we’ve got is Scaleface’s ‘light vs void’ leaks but that is only because it ties in with the dungeon encounters that were datamined.

[locketto]

There's something to be said about Blizzard titles and leak titles, but these just sound like the lineup of an ingame death metal concert, past the first three, which don't really leave much up to imagination.

second list is generated with AI.
Some of them are very nice, like The void's embrace for example

[ImTheMizAwesome]

next week will for sure have some good leaks, for sure.

[Dismayxz]

Shame that we don’t have a whole lot of legit sounding leaks this time around. Nothing like “Empire of Dragons”

Closest we’ve got is Scaleface’s ‘light vs void’ leaks but that is only because it ties in with the dungeon encounters that were datamined.

I'd still like to give him the benefit of the doubt, considering he's not exactly been super on the nose. I think everything said about the context of the ai images he and wowexdev both posted, did not have to be said in the first place, if it was just going for a cheap leak. Guy's gone on record often enough saying that he does get more fun or fun in general out of a good leak season and leaving people wondering about the legit leaks he's posted. The AI images wrapped as 'hints' more or less would be in-line whilst immediately taking the big topic of the images being AI out of the picture, by simply .. coming right out and saying it or 50/50ing it from their own perspective.

[Valysar]

One true leak amongst billions of leak generated by AI ... meh

[locketto]

next week will for sure have some good leaks, for sure.

you mean blizzard release something "by mistake" as usual (creating hype and free marketing) ?