Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Teriz]

This is so funny because for weeks you were denying the truth importance of the Algarian Stormrider and downplaying the importance of the pre-order mount and it’s tie to the expansion.

Such as that the Tangled Dreamweaver being more Dream themed than dragon themed, and that it doesn’t even show up in the expansion. You were also downplaying the Ensorcelled Everwyrm from SL and the Dread Raven from WoD.

Incorrect. What I said was that the Stormrider is more indicative of the general theme of the expansion, not specifically the location. For example, the Tangled Dreamweaver was more importantly a dragon than something based on the Emerald Dream.

[Catastrophy349]

Just my personal opinion. If we get their powers back, just for them to go sit at the top of the Seat of the Aspects, I guess that works, too. :clownface

[Woggmer]

We know Smolderon dies tho

Okay fine; even if he does die, there's still some piece to this story that we're not seeing especially since he was supposed to have been missing when the Cult of Ragnaros came in. They can't just pull a Neptulon Abyssal Maw level retcon especially since the Cult of Ragnaros is the reason for the Dark Irons to be a playable race.

But then again... after that lore interview, I'm willing to bet that they flat out forgot about the Dark Iron questline and have nothing to connect it to Amirdrassil other than "HEY LOOK! WE'RE FIGHTING THE FIRELORD AGAIN!"

[Chickat]

This thread is moving like molasses compared to a week ago.

[Nerdslime]

Because plenty of expansions have shifted themes throughout expansion

Also more importantly; none of what you've listed proves anything - we won't know until Blizzcon, and this is a speculation thread

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Here's a question

Does anyone actually WANT an elemental themed expansion after Dragonflight? Which is just as much an elemental expansion as it as a dragon one - I would be genuinely disappointed personally

I would be fine with a major Elemental expansion theme if it's a revamp, because I feel like elemental stuff (if you keep most of it below the level of Elemental Lords being directly fought/killed/replaced) is a great kind of "universal"/faction-agnostic quest fodder for evergreen content. There's always gonna be angry tornado guys and some kind of big rock monster smashing stuff in this game so it'd make for a good zone story here and there. It would have good ties to the max level revamp story explanation (which doesn't need to be discussed in the evergreen content) as well.

If there's no revamp I'm not saying I'd be disappointed with Elemental expansion theme but they'd need to do something cool with it.

[matijwow]

Just my personal opinion. If we get their powers back, just for them to go sit at the top of the Seat of the Aspects, I guess that works, too. :clownface

Standing on top of Wyrmrest is what they did for most of Wrath. After killing Malygos and showing up to the Wrath Gate late, they pretty much did nothing while we killed an Old God and the Lich King. Their modus operandi seems to be getting involved when they have to fight other dragons.

[Catastrophy349]

It already bothers me that the Horde/Alliance have had basically ZERO major involvement since BFA. I guess it makes sense to treat the Aspects in the same way after DF (spend all this time with them and just dump them like everyone else).

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

Yeah, and if that's the case, it's 100 times worse because we just spent an entire expansion bringing the 5 main flights together, getting their powers back (or kind of back according to 10.2 datamining), for basically nothing.

Well, I mean they at least made good on this little thing.



Yay Vyranoth

[Kiria]

Because plenty of expansions have shifted themes throughout expansion

Also more importantly; none of what you've listed proves anything - we won't know until Blizzcon, and this is a speculation thread

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Here's a question

Does anyone actually WANT an elemental themed expansion after Dragonflight? Which is just as much an elemental expansion as it as a dragon one - I would be genuinely disappointed personally

Tbh I'm personally finding all the elemental stuff ever so slightly boring as we've had so much of it within DF and it's just.. not that interesting...

[Baraden]

Or just don't take stories that goes forever so serious. Works too. And this way I don't have to forget about parts I enjoyed.

Not taking it seriously is exactly what I'm doing - to the point it doesn't exist

[Chickat]

Dwarves already got Wildhammer customization. They don't need a full neglected race slot to get what they already have.

Exactly and high elves don't need a slot either. Blue eye blood elves are a thing.

[Murlocos]

It already bothers me that the Horde/Alliance have had basically ZERO major involvement since BFA. I guess it makes sense to treat the Aspects in the same way after DF (spend all this time with them and just dump them like everyone else).

An issue they run into very frequently is going overboard with a particular theme or set of characters and players expressing exhaustion with them after a single expansion.

It's going to feel very awkward if Iridikron passes over into the next expansion as a major threat and the Aspects just aren't around, but I'm not sure if people will be thrilled to see them stick around even longer. I'm very wary of seeing how this stated plan to have expansions tie together even more pans out.

[Catastrophy349]

An issue they run into very frequently is going overboard with a particular theme or set of characters and players expressing exhaustion with them after a single expansion.

It's going to feel very awkward if Iridikron passes over into the next expansion as a major threat and the Aspects just aren't around, but I'm not sure if people will be thrilled to see them stick around even longer. I'm very wary of seeing how this stated plan to have expansions tie together even more pans out.

13 days!!!

[PotHockets]

An issue they run into very frequently is going overboard with a particular theme or set of characters and players expressing exhaustion with them after a single expansion.

It's going to feel very awkward if Iridikron passes over into the next expansion as a major threat and the Aspects just aren't around, but I'm not sure if people will be thrilled to see them stick around even longer. I'm very wary of seeing how this stated plan to have expansions tie together even more pans out.

I've noticed that Iridikron seems very intentionally absent for most everything. Like yeah he's there and has monologued a few times but they basically had him get the messed up dragon soul and then dip. I wonder if they're starting to realize they can't overdo it with characters that are gonna have a huge focus in the next expansion but we'll have to wait and see on that.

[Baraden]

It already bothers me that the Horde/Alliance have had basically ZERO major involvement since BFA. I guess it makes sense to treat the Aspects in the same way after DF (spend all this time with them and just dump them like everyone else).

I would imagine they're afraid of Alliance/Horde fatigue

Alliance and Horde war was a big plot point of MoP; after which we got Legion and WoD as allies and then BFA

I can't imagine we will ever get a faction conflict central to the plot again, it'd just be a complete retread

I'd honestly be in favor for a faction merge lorewise at this point, once Anduin is back in power and with Lor'themar, Baine and Rokhan being the backbone of the Horde - no one in leadership of either faction really wants war anymore, any war would feel incredibly forced

[huth]

Not taking it seriously is exactly what I'm doing - to the point it doesn't exist

Not taking something seriously and pretending it doesn't exist are rather different takes.

[Darkarath]

Yeah, and if that's the case, it's 100 times worse because we just spent an entire expansion bringing the 5 main flights together, getting their powers back (or kind of back according to 10.2 datamining), for basically nothing.

The Dragons have always been the defenders of Azeroth. We help them to recover their powers so that they can help us with any future threath.

With that being said, I understand your point of view, and while I do not think that we are powering them up for any particular threath, they should be there when we fight Iridikron, and you can bet your ass that they would be there when we face the Keepers and the Titans.

I would say that they would be heavily involved in the future of the game.

[flan1337]

finally did dawn of the infinite and does anyone think they DF was suppose to have a Torgast like system? The whole dawn of the infinite dungeon parts kinda feel like they could have been used to for a randomly generated dungeon.

[Chickat]

For those advocating for it; What exactly would be the point of a light vs void expansion? In other words, why are we doing it, who are we fighting, where are we fighting, and what happens when it’s over? I’m simply not seeing a purpose behind such an expansion, and I view it as a destructive escalation of the narrative. Like if we’re taking spaceships to other planets to fight void monsters, how do we go back to Azeroth and whack Gnolls, dragons, and troggs?

People said the same thing about Argus and the next expansion we were fighting naga and pirates.

And I could say the same thing about Undermine.

I want both xpacs but LvV has vastly more potential for my tastes.

[Baraden]

Exactly and high elves don't need a slot either. Blue eye blood elves are a thing.

Void Elves desparately need one or two "normal" long hair styles; once they get that High Elves will be 100% in the game and playable

On that note; they really should just bake in allied races to core races as customisation options where it makes sense (mag'har orc just becomes orc with LOADS of customisation, same with dark iron dwarf and dwarf etc)

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Not taking something seriously and pretending it doesn't exist are rather different takes.

When the writers disrespect and retcon previous lore they didn't create, you are very free to disregard it

This is why I consider dragonflight to take place after BFA; and Star Wars to have ended at episode 6; and I'm happier for it