Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Lady Atia]

So the raids were elitist, they introduced an easy mode everyone can participate in, raids are still elitist.

kk

Tbf, you wouldn't see these kind of complaints if all raid difficulty would drop the same cosmetics. Having transmog/mounts tied to difficulty sliders kinda makes it meaningless as you will have to clear/farm all of them anyways, hence heroic/mythic becomes the default difficulty people will want to run. If you make it like in diablo, where higher difficulty just gives flat out better stats, well that system would work alot better because now people who only play for cosmetics can do so with the difficulty they choose without loosing out on anything, while people who want a "hard raid" can play it for leaderboards and the hall of fame title. This is btw how I think raid+ should work - give all current mythic cosmetic rewards for lets say raid+15 which would be doable by the same amount of people as lets say, keystone hero in m+ - everything above that can be for stats and leaderboards only.

Edit: Similiary, btw, M+ kinda only has an illusion of difficulty choice for the first 20 key levels as people who play for cosmetics/achievements will have to run 20's by default anyways. The 0,1% title is fine, but should be given out per spec, not overall, similiar to solo shuffle rating to make it more fair. But atleast for m+, anyone besides people who wanna push can be done with their 20's which are easily doable by anyone while the players who want to do "hard content" can play keys above 21's and be happy with their raider.io leaderboards.

[Pinksocking]

So the raids were elitist, they introduced an easy mode everyone can participate in, raids are still elitist.

kk

because ... *checks notes*

you can only do it once a week?

not sure what the point is you were trying to make terremer besides intentionally derail the thread

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Well it's just a personal preference, I mean it's ridiculous to block it out over the week and not per day. It just screams "ARTIFICIALLY STAY LONGER". I'm against such exaggerated timegating.

so timegating = elitism?

[Nymrohd]

so timegating = elitism?

To be fair, you can argue that the fact that it can take two months for LFR to be fully out IS problematic.

[Hitei]

Well no shit stuff are being planned ahead, I am not sure what you are trying to prove here. That's how game dev works lol. Oh trust me there is a pattern here, but it seems you refuse to believe it. As I said you can't juat get 3 expansions correct in a row. We are going to have to agree to disagree.

You don't understand. The entire "pattern" here is based on the idea that they are doing expansions in a specific thematic order based on releases from 16 years ago. But they plan ahead two or three expansions. Not 7-9.

There isn't a pattern because the devs themselves don't follow some 15-20 year plan. They sit down in a room and talk about ideas for where they want to go 4-5 years from now and then decide on how to steer the story in that direction. They have openly talked about doing this. They have been openly using that method to pick new expansions since at least as far back as Cataclysm.

When the list was made in Legion, they hadn't decided on Dragonflight yet, let alone that 11.0 was going to be the second expansion in a row about elements, and that 12.0 was going to be about a faction war they were planning on ending in BfA. That is why Dragonflight starts getting teased in Island Expedition stuff in BfA, because after Legion when they were quite a ways into working on BfA and early Shadowlands, they were spitballing where they'd like to go to next.

There is no pattern. That is why 8.0 was the faction war, not 12.0. Because they weren't following some specific order, they were doing ideas as they decided they sound cool.

The guy took the three most likely locations left, that everyone on every forum and youtube video and twitch stream was speculating would be coming soon, N'zoth, the Shadowlands and the Dragon Isles, and guessed the correct order of the three. A one in six chance. He got lucky.

[Arcinatoss]

To be fair, you can argue that the fact that it can take two months for LFR to be fully out IS problematic.

at least the LFR cycle is sped up in 10.2, apart from the last wing.

[Nymrohd]

at least the LFR cycle is sped up in 10.2, apart from the last wing.

Yeah they are changing that. I can see why it might be delayed because otherwise people might only run the final wing which has higher ilvl. But it does suck that for people who only really run LFR, they have to wait months to see the full story and there is almost always a quest tied to completing the raid.

[Nymrohd]

Aberrus is perhaps the easiest raid since Emerald Nightmare. I mean, if we were talking during Shadowlands then yeah, the raid difficulty had gone a bit off track.

[Makabreska]

Aberrus is perhaps the easiest raid since Emerald Nightmare.

I don't think that is a fair statement. Let's not forget that Aberrus was pretty unprecedented with it's experiment in short fights. Final boss being a 7.5 min encounter was unheard of. This could easily skew perception of raid difficulty.

[Nymrohd]

I don't think that is a fair statement. Let's not forget that Aberrus was pretty unprecedented with it's experiment in short fights. Final boss being a 7.5 min encounter was unheard of. This could easily skew perception of raid difficulty.

I don't think length is completely tied to difficulty. Don't get me wrong, very long fights ARE hard because people get tired and are likely to make mistakes. But there is always Blackhand.

[Makabreska]

In any case, I hope that the next expansion will have at most 3 dungeons and 1 raid and that the rest of the resources are invested in the development of a more coherent world.

If you genuinely believe this has any chance of happening (and is preferred by general audience), it is you who need to get in touch with reality.

[Nymrohd]

In any case, I hope that the next expansion will have at most 3 dungeons and 1 raid and that the rest of the resources are invested in the development of a more coherent world.

Oh so your issue is not even difficulty or anything, you just don't want any instanced content.

[Gigantique]

Elitist raid content? Stuff that dies within 1 hit (Molten Core, Classic stuff.. while we are way way higher level) is elitist? Yea.. no

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Even for Scaly levels it's on the edge of not being scaly

I mean if Iridikron is scaly then what, any humanoid creature that has pointy teeth and claws is furry/scaly bait? Man doesn't even have actual scales he's a stoneboi lmao

[Nymrohd]

I mean if Iridikron is scaly then what, any humanoid creature that has pointy teeth and claws is furry/scaly bait? Man doesn't even have actual scales he's a stoneboi lmao

I'd say it has less to do with the stone body or the horns or face but more to do with the sillhouette; a very strong torso, wide shoulders, prominent jawline.

[Gigantique]

Let me help you, because obviously you are having trouble following the discussion. You're too busy trolling.

People are taking the piss out of your (honestly really funny) stance that current raids are objectively elitist.

What, are m0 elitist too?

[Gigantique]

I'd say it has less to do with the stone body or the horns or face but more to do with the sillhouette; a very strong torso, wide shoulders, prominent jawline.

That's just standard Warcraft in all honesty, the big torso and wide shoulders (to fit the massive shoulderplates on).

The jawline has also been default proto drake so I guess too bad scalies Warcraft had it first!

(Idk what came first between proto drakes and scalirs becoming more prominent)

[Makabreska]

Good thing I used the term “hoped”.

And that is all you have in this case

It's not "my problem", what I put forward is a fact.

It IS your problem (and opinion). You see any crowd in this thread/MMO-C/Reddit/YouTube demanding the lift of weekly raid lockout? Now, and in recent years?

[Ersula]

If a world revamp happens, you think Nelves would still start in Teldrassil? No, they wouldnt. Even if it means they start at 10 like an allied race. In a revamped world it makes 0 sense for any race to still start in a Cata world. At the bare minimum they would need to update the starter zones, or make everything start at 10.

They absolutely would not add a new leveling zone for one (old) race. Exiles' reach is only 2 expansion's old.

[Gigantique]

The problem with the current WoW community is that a constant minority believes itself to be the center of the world. It's not your fault, it's Blizzard's part to fuel this type of elitist content such as raids and m+ and glorify competitiveness in a game that is not adequate for that.

My guy you're wishing for them to cut down on the one thing most MMO communties unanimously agree WoW is the best at (encounter design)

Hell I'm reduced to a casual M+ pugger that very occasionally dips his feet in raid pugs because of my dad schedule, my main playtime is transmogs and alts so I'm all for more world content/horizontal progression but asking Blizz to kneecap the one thing they're really good at is... Yeah.

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Don't you have anything better to do than worry about a stranger on a forum? You are so weird.



Once again, you are trolling. How old are you ? Do you have anything better to do again?

This is what I personally wish. What is a fact is that raids are elitist.

Continue to make a fool of yourself by constantly being off the mark.

The silly thing is your "raids are elitist = fact" stance. Literally the only one here with that view it seems.

[Makabreska]

Once again, you are trolling. How old are you ? Do you have anything better to do again?

This is what I personally wish. What is a fact is that raids are elitist.

Continue to make a fool of yourself by constantly being off the mark.

*hopes next expac will have max 1 raid and 3 dungeons*

*tells others they are making fools out of themselves*

M'kay.

[Gigantique]

They absolutely would not add a new leveling zone for one (old) race. Exiles' reach is only 2 expansion's old.

Agreed I think any old world updates should be either lvl 60-70 or something a new player does AFTER Exile's Reach on the 10-70 path.