Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[pacotaco]

Because when you have an encounter there are 3 jobs, one person has to take the damage, one person has to heal the damage, and one person has to deal the damage

A support only exists to enhance the characters doing those jobs; so why not just have those characters be able to support themselves and their group?

Your examples with spriest and shamans actually prove my point - because Blizzard didn't give the game support specs and instead allowed the other roles to support their group - why do you need a specific support spec if every class can be a support spec? I've already given examples but right now every spec in the game has the potential to give other players either more damage, health, speed, heals etc - that's support

What's going to happen to all the support abilties other roles have if they add these specs?

Why not? By that same rule, you could remove roles and make everyone able to tank, heal and do dps on the same spec.
You're so overly fixated on the "Holy Trinity" design that you are completely unable to see anything outside it.
WoW role triumvirate is a relic (it was even when it launched). It's been 20 years since game design opened to another class design philosophy. Let WoW try to evolve and stop being constrained by a 40 year old design.

[Azalar]

Basically, I think Xal'atath is after awakening either herself, some other Old God entity, a Void Lord, or Azeroth. Either way, the expansion will escalate in a similar way as back in WoD or BfA, when it started out with one theme and then did a hard turn to the left as things escalated.

Argus seems pretty distant from a place like Highmountain, wouldn't you say?

Indeed, yet it was still linked thematically with the Legion plot. As you say though, anything can happen depending on how the storyline escalates.

Xal'atath is a very interesting character and part of her charm is how mysterious she is. I can only hope writers don't gut the mysticism.

Does WoW have almonds? If yes, where do they grow?

Tel'abim /tinfoilhat

[Nymrohd]

Tel'abim /tinfoilhat

Bananas AND almonds?

[Azalar]

Havi (Odyn):

"In the summit of storms the dragons await. Born of the gods, they will test your will. They roost above Hrydshal, where their children serve the Drekirjar. But they are no allies to man or vrykul, and so you must earn their blessing as they see fit. A friend of yours awaits in Hrydshal, no doubt searching for the answers you now possess. Go to her, and together, you will test your might against the storm!"

The Algarian Stormrider is either one of these, but native to Khaz Algar (perhaps they originally all were), or one of Erinethria's green dragons which evolved into one of these from exposure to the Storming Sea.

Perhaps Odyn messed something up really badly before the storm and that's why he conjured it but got out of control and couldn't ever get back so he decided to hide that land from our eyes and never come back? Basically like sweeping dust beneath the rug.

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Bananas AND almonds?

What a wonderful duo!

[Nymrohd]

Havi (Odyn):

"In the summit of storms the dragons await. Born of the gods, they will test your will. They roost above Hrydshal, where their children serve the Drekirjar. But they are no allies to man or vrykul, and so you must earn their blessing as they see fit. A friend of yours awaits in Hrydshal, no doubt searching for the answers you now possess. Go to her, and together, you will test your might against the storm!"

The Algarian Stormrider is either one of these, but native to Khaz Algar (perhaps they originally all were), or one of Erinethria's green dragons which evolved into one of these from exposure to the Storming Sea.

Honestly in my mock Avaloren concept (still hadn't time to finish it), one of the reasons Odyn is weary of dragons was that the elemental drakes were the chosen servants of the Old God imprisoned in Avaloren, (who I am naming Tiam'atath since I am using Inanna to base the entire place on the Akkadian myth)
And in classic D&D lore do you know who usually is the best at slaying dragons? Giants. Like the Valarjar.

[huth]

Wowhead covered it. Apparently they're similar to the architecture of the Bronze dragonflight area in Thaldraszus.

Eh, seems a bit of a stretch to me. The differences outweigh the similarities.

[Woke it Up]

While I would be surprised if we see K'aresh or playable Ethereals in 11.0, because as of now Avaloren (sadly) seems to be where we are going, I think that there are a few reasons to be hopeful.

Remember, Danuser himself heavily teased the return of the Void and Ethereals in a DF interview, and there is the coin thing that appeared in our journal.

I am sure that every leak has been shit until now. I would not discard the possibility that Blizzard comes up with something unexpected like they did with WoD and surprise us all.

Was there something that linked the coin with ethereals? It feels more like a daily quest they'll do in 11.5 for the bronze dragons where you have to go back and sneak yourself some coins.

[Nymrohd]

Eh, seems a bit of a stretch to me. The differences outweigh the similarities.

Could be we get my dream system of evergreen solo/small group content involving time travel scenarios through the Caverns of Time?

[ReturnToKalimdor]

Azshara and Iridikron brought back C'thun as their puppet.
Magni is evil due to the corruption of Azeroth.
Xal'atath and Locus-walker are allies, as are the Scarlets and Lightbound.
Thrall is basically dual classing as a shaman-paladin.

Kalimdor revamp.
1. Ashenvale
2. The Barrens
3. Eldre'thalas
4. Tanaris
5. Barrow Deeps
6. Bael Modan
7. Kthiik Chasm

No single major city. Multiple large hubs; Gadgetzan, Dire Maul, Khaz Algar, Orgrimmar, and Thunder Bluff.

New body types for orcs, night elves, trolls, dwarves, and pandaren.

Paladins and shamans for all races.

Alternative classes (visual/spell effect only); Runemaster for monks and Celestial for paladins.

Pet battle revamp.

Jumping puzzles and open world dungeons.

Seamless server merger (no renames required) with selectable phases.

Level cap is 75, but new Kalimdor can be accessed at 21. Level 10-20 zone set in Azshara as the next place to go after Exile's Reach is on its way.

[ralilioth]

Shouldn't we receive the Blizzcon schedule this week?

[huth]

Could be we get my dream system of evergreen solo/small group content involving time travel scenarios through the Caverns of Time?

More like "i doubt it has anything to do with the Bronze Flight". The similarities there can pretty much be summed up with "pillars".

[pacotaco]

Not inherently - I just don't agree.

I'll put my argument in as simple terms as I can for conciseness and then I'm not gonna keep replying about it, as I don't want to derail the thread

"Every spec should be a support spec, and by that logic we don't need pure support specs"

If that is truly a "terrible argument" as you claim, well I guess I'm just not smart enough for all you intellectuals

The problem is that you're incurring in an "appeal to tradition fallacy": WoW always has had 3 roles, if it's been like this for 20 years, then it's because it's the best way. Ergo changing it it's bad.

I get you can be concerned about the change. That's legit. But you can't automatically say that the change is inherently bad when we don't even know Blizzards plan on it.

[Nymrohd]

More like "i doubt it has anything to do with the Bronze Flight". The similarities there can pretty much be summed up with "pillars".

And honestly most of the runes look the same. I don't think there is such a huge difference between draconic runes, elven runes and domination runes.

[YsoDepressing]

Azshara and Iridikron brought back C'thun as their puppet.
Magni is evil due to the corruption of Azeroth.
Xal'atath and Locus-walker are allies, as are the Scarlets and Lightbound.
Thrall is basically dual classing as a shaman-paladin.

Kalimdor revamp.
1. Ashenvale
2. The Barrens
3. Eldre'thalas
4. Tanaris
5. Barrow Deeps
6. Bael Modan
7. Kthiik Chasm

No single major city. Multiple large hubs; Gadgetzan, Dire Maul, Khaz Algar, Orgrimmar, and Thunder Bluff.

New body types for orcs, night elves, trolls, dwarves, and pandaren.

Paladins and shamans for all races.

Alternative classes (visual/spell effect only); Runemaster for monks and Celestial for paladins.

Pet battle revamp.

Jumping puzzles and open world dungeons.

Seamless server merger (no renames required) with selectable phases.

Level cap is 75, but new Kalimdor can be accessed at 21. Level 10-20 zone set in Azshara as the next place to go after Exile's Reach is on its way.

This sounds good.

[Woke it Up]

Eh, seems a bit of a stretch to me. The differences outweigh the similarities.

Lmao I felt so sorry for the WoWhead person who was 100% right and no commentor at the time saw it.

The orb being more classical titans is the only change, which is most likely just a time / cost saving thing.

[Lady Atia]

Azshara and Iridikron brought back C'thun as their puppet.
Magni is evil due to the corruption of Azeroth.
Xal'atath and Locus-walker are allies, as are the Scarlets and Lightbound.
Thrall is basically dual classing as a shaman-paladin.

Kalimdor revamp.
1. Ashenvale
2. The Barrens
3. Eldre'thalas
4. Tanaris
5. Barrow Deeps
6. Bael Modan
7. Kthiik Chasm

No single major city. Multiple large hubs; Gadgetzan, Dire Maul, Khaz Algar, Orgrimmar, and Thunder Bluff.

New body types for orcs, night elves, trolls, dwarves, and pandaren.

Paladins and shamans for all races.

Alternative classes (visual/spell effect only); Runemaster for monks and Celestial for paladins.

Pet battle revamp.

Jumping puzzles and open world dungeons.

Seamless server merger (no renames required) with selectable phases.

Level cap is 75, but new Kalimdor can be accessed at 21. Level 10-20 zone set in Azshara as the next place to go after Exile's Reach is on its way.

If they make new body types (which is quite possible after Dracthyr), they will do it for every race, and for sure they will do it for blood elves lol.

They will also never do a big pet battle revamp because it's already working - why change that and risk to make it even more niche?

Also they admited that the smaller level cap of Cataclysm was shitty, so no clue why you think they would do that again lol.

[Fahrad Wagner]

Azshara and Iridikron brought back C'thun as their puppet.
Magni is evil due to the corruption of Azeroth.
Xal'atath and Locus-walker are allies, as are the Scarlets and Lightbound.
Thrall is basically dual classing as a shaman-paladin.

Kalimdor revamp.
1. Ashenvale
2. The Barrens
3. Eldre'thalas
4. Tanaris
5. Barrow Deeps
6. Bael Modan
7. Kthiik Chasm

No single major city. Multiple large hubs; Gadgetzan, Dire Maul, Khaz Algar, Orgrimmar, and Thunder Bluff.

New body types for orcs, night elves, trolls, dwarves, and pandaren.

Paladins and shamans for all races.

Alternative classes (visual/spell effect only); Runemaster for monks and Celestial for paladins.

Pet battle revamp.

Jumping puzzles and open world dungeons.

Seamless server merger (no renames required) with selectable phases.

Level cap is 75, but new Kalimdor can be accessed at 21. Level 10-20 zone set in Azshara as the next place to go after Exile's Reach is on its way.

This is faker than the smile I put on at work. And let me tell you that's one fake-*ss smile

[ImTheMizAwesome]

Azshara and Iridikron brought back C'thun as their puppet.
Magni is evil due to the corruption of Azeroth.
Xal'atath and Locus-walker are allies, as are the Scarlets and Lightbound.
Thrall is basically dual classing as a shaman-paladin.

Kalimdor revamp.
1. Ashenvale
2. The Barrens
3. Eldre'thalas
4. Tanaris
5. Barrow Deeps
6. Bael Modan
7. Kthiik Chasm

No single major city. Multiple large hubs; Gadgetzan, Dire Maul, Khaz Algar, Orgrimmar, and Thunder Bluff.

New body types for orcs, night elves, trolls, dwarves, and pandaren.

Paladins and shamans for all races.

Alternative classes (visual/spell effect only); Runemaster for monks and Celestial for paladins.

Pet battle revamp.

Jumping puzzles and open world dungeons.

Seamless server merger (no renames required) with selectable phases.

Level cap is 75, but new Kalimdor can be accessed at 21. Level 10-20 zone set in Azshara as the next place to go after Exile's Reach is on its way.

Thrall will wield ashbringer in one hand and doomhammer in the other.

[Fahrad Wagner]

Thrall will wield ashbringer in one hand and doomhammer in the other.

Double thunder strikeeeeee

[Azalar]

I'm curious about the involved mental gymnastics to make Thrall a light shaman, though. I mean, why.