Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[ro9ue]

Elune has influence across the universe, and she is direct control over Azeroths moons.

Her being imprisoned makes no sense.

She has only been able to do small things and has never made an appearance no matter what was going on. That's what makes me think she is imprisoned or being limited in some way.

[pacotaco]

What coincidences? That it's a crater?

Scholazar is also a crater, has rivers feeding into the middle, and is overseen by Freya as commanded by Eonar.

If anything Un'goro is the one that is a reach.

- It's a crater.
- It has a world tree in the Emerald Dream (Il'gynoth is parasitizing it)
- It has a Titan outpost in the north side accessible from a titan gate in Sholazar, supposedly for Freya to keep an eye on it.
- It has alien fauna and flora for that part of the world (it's surrounded by deserts).

[Izalla]

Il'gynoth is growing in a tree but there's nothing that indicates that's a world tree. For one it's way too small. That his body was somehow formed from a corrupted world tree is just an out-of-pocket headcanon. Un'goro has a miniature volcano in the middle of it: You wouldn't want to plant a world tree there.
- Because Sholazar, Vale of Eternal Blossoms & Un'goro were sites Freya experimented with the magic of the Well of Eternity
- There's no lore calling it a world tree. As far as we know it's just a tree.
- Uldum is right next to Un'goro and If I'm not mistaken, its even older than Ulduar
- That's not how volcanos work

Literally calls it a world tree in the dungeon adventure guide

[Hitei]

- It's a crater.
- It has a world tree in the Emerald Dream (Il'gynoth is parasitizing it)
- It has a Titan outpost in the north side accessible from a titan gate in Sholazar, supposedly for Freya to keep an eye on it.
- It has alien fauna and flora for that part of the world (it's surrounded by deserts).

The world tree shouldn't be in a crater, it made the crater when it was torn out. The titan outpost in Un'goro is chiefly Khaz'goroth's which doesn't make any sense with Eonar trying to keep it secret. It has "alien fauna and flora" because it is a known titan experimental facility. And why would she have planted a tree in the middle of a desert?

[pacotaco]

Il'gynoth is growing in a tree but there's nothing that indicates that's a world tree.

It literally says it in the Adventure Guide:
Lodged in the hollows of a now-decrepit world tree, Il'gynoth is a manifestation of the horrors that lie at the heart of the Nightmare. It is a mass of corruption - a thing that should not be. Its tendrils seep through the ground, emerging in countless horrifying eyestalks and limbs.

[Azalar]

Il'gynoth is growing in a tree but there's nothing that indicates that's a world tree. For one it's way too small. That his body was somehow formed from a corrupted world tree is just an out-of-pocket headcanon. Un'goro has a miniature volcano in the middle of it: You wouldn't want to plant a world tree there.
- Because Sholazar, Vale of Eternal Blossoms & Un'goro were sites Freya experimented with the magic of the Well of Eternity
- There's no lore calling it a world tree. As far as we know it's just a tree.
- Uldum is right next to Un'goro and If I'm not mistaken, its even older than Ulduar
- That's not how volcanos work

Uhhh, the first line of the Il'gynoth's journal entry says that he is "lodged in the hollows of a now-decrepit world tree." This is data.

God knows about the Halls of Origination, tbh. It doesn't go against the argument because we don't know how Aman'thul found out about the tree anyway.

Of course it's not how volcanos work, it's not even a natural volcano. The book of Elun'ahir claims the roots dug very deep into the planet, if you violently uproot such a tree it'd be easy to explain the volcano. The sword in Silithus caused plenty of Azerite wounds all across the world, compared to that, the tiny volcano of Un'goro is quite unspectacular if you ask me.

Now this is speculation, but the arguments are there. It's not just some random headcanon. I may be wrong as well and I'm totally okay with it given that case, but since the arguments in favor of Elun'ahir being somewhere else are weak, I'm inclined to believe that Elun'ahir is or was in Un'goro.

[PotHockets]

The world tree shouldn't be in a crater, it made the crater when it was torn out. The titan outpost in Un'goro is chiefly Khaz'goroth's which doesn't make any sense with Eonar trying to keep it secret. It has "alien fauna and flora" because it is a known titan experimental facility. And why would she have planted a tree in the middle of a desert?

Don't the world trees terraform the local environment to an extent? Might have shoved one in the desert to see what happens.

[Azalar]

Don't the world trees terraform the local environment to an extent? Might have shoved one in the desert to see what happens.

Then we'd get the world cactus.

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[Hitei]

Don't the world trees terraform the local environment to an extent? Might have shoved one in the desert to see what happens.

Elune'ahir wasn't some experiment though. It was Eonar planting a treasured gift somewhere she was sure it would be properly nourished and grow.

[PotHockets]

Then we'd get the world cactus.

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[Raetary]

And why would she have planted a tree in the middle of a desert?

Neither Tanaris and Uldum were a desert until one got turned into one after the Sundering and the other got scorched by the Forge of Origination.
Not that it matters, as the tree was planted during the battle against the black empire, so the entire planet was covered in deserts, void cysts/tentacles or volcanos.

Even if either of those things wasn't the case, a life deity would absolutely plant a giant, magical, life giving tree in the middle of a barren wasteland to revitalize it.

[Azalar]

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[Sondrelk]

The world tree shouldn't be in a crater, it made the crater when it was torn out. The titan outpost in Un'goro is chiefly Khaz'goroth's which doesn't make any sense with Eonar trying to keep it secret. It has "alien fauna and flora" because it is a known titan experimental facility. And why would she have planted a tree in the middle of a desert?

Uldum at the very least was not a desert until Lei Shen attacked and the Titan keepers used the Forge of Reorigination to kill everything in a large radius around them.

Not sure about Silithus and Tanaris, but I think it's fair to say that it was either affected by the Reorigination blast, or only looks that way due to Silithids tunneling everywhere.

[Wangming]

Uhhh, the first line of the Il'gynoth's journal entry says that he is "lodged in the hollows of a now-decrepit world tree." This is data.

Also he is tied to the Emerald Dream, as in the last zone of Dragonflight. The exact place we are now.

[Hitei]

Neither Tanaris and Uldum were a desert until one got turned into one after the Sundering and the other got scorched by the Forge of Origination.
Not that it matters, as the tree was planted during the battle against the black empire, so the entire planet was covered in deserts, void cysts or volcanos.

Even if either of those things wasn't the case, a life deity would absolutely plant a giant, magical, life giving tree in the middle of a barren wasteland to revitalize it.

Again, she wasn't planting a life giving tree to try and see what happened or to help the land. She was planting a precious gift from someone close to her somewhere it would flourish.

Sticking one in the ground 20 yards away from C'thun doesn't seem like a likely choice, and it makes zero sense that Freya would then be able to keep watch and ensure it stayed secret when Un'goro is an open titan experimental location that Khaz'goroth was freely using and that has an easy access waygate to one of the central watcher facilities.

[Wangming]

Uldum at the very least was not a desert until Lei Shen attacked and the Titan keepers used the Forge of Reorigination to kill everything in a large radius around them.

Not sure about Silithus and Tanaris, but I think it's fair to say that it was either affected by the Reorigination blast, or only looks that way due to Silithids tunneling everywhere.

It could be a chicken and egg situation. The whole place was a desert originally.
The world tree happened.
Lei Shen and the reorigination happened which cause some of the vegetation to disappear and the place became a desert again.

Or the lore team just did an oopise again and the whole thing with Uldum was "just the Titan POV"

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Again, she wasn't planting a life giving tree to try and see what happened or to help the land. She was planting a precious gift from someone close to her somewhere it would flourish.

Sticking one in the ground 20 yards away from C'thun doesn't seem like a likely choice, and it makes zero sense that Freya would then be able to keep watch and ensure it stayed secret when Un'goro is an open titan experimental location that Khaz'goroth was freely using and that has an easy access waygate to one of the central watcher facilities.

Well duh, the tree was probably plucked out for a reason.

[Woke it Up]

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[Hitei]

Well duh, the tree was probably plucked out for a reason.

It was plucked out because it was Life in nature and Aman'thul saw it as an afront to Order. But the reason why it was removed has little to do with Eonar putting it there in the first place. Why would she plant a precious thing she wants to do well right next to the heavily corrupting enemy in the middle of the war?

[Valysar]

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