Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Nymrohd]

Saurfang: 'I'm gonna go and die with honor.
Sylvanas: Fuck honor. I want you to live and win this fucking war for the Horde. Your sacrifice benefits nobody.

Context aside, in that disagreement Sylvanas was totally right.

It's not just that. While we know in hindsight that Sylvanas did not give a shit about the Horde, if Saurfang wants to minimize deaths and bring peace then he has to win this war and win it decisively.

[Darkarath]

What are the chances of getting 10.2.5 PTR this week or the next one? Might Blizzard reveal It before Blizzcon to fully focus in 11.0 and (hopefully) 10.3?

[Wangming]

It's not just that. While we know in hindsight that Sylvanas did not give a shit about the Horde, if Saurfang wants to minimize deaths and bring peace then he has to win this war and win it decisively.

Yea. And leaving Malfurion alive does not accomplish that cause he was probably the strongest combatant on the Alliance side.

[Reive]

What are the chances of getting 10.2.5 PTR this week or the next one? Might Blizzard reveal It before Blizzcon to fully focus in 11.0 and (hopefully) 10.3?

i think blizzard is going to save all the reveals/announcements for the blizzcon at this point. unless we get a good leak, these 9 days are going to be boring af

[huth]

It's not just that. While we know in hindsight that Sylvanas did not give a shit about the Horde, if Saurfang wants to minimize deaths and bring peace then he has to win this war and win it decisively.

If he wanted minimal deaths, he should have challenged Sylvanas right at the start. It's not like the attack on Darkshore actually achieved anything meaningful for the Horde.

[Nymrohd]

Yea. And leaving Malfurion alive does not accomplish that cause he was probably the strongest combatant on the Alliance side.

To be fair, it's not like killing Malfurion would have stopped Tyrande from going berserk on them. If anything had Saurfang killed Malf then I don't see how the Night Elves would ever stop until they were all dead or every Horde member in Kalimdor was.

[Wangming]

If he wanted minimal deaths, he should have challenged Sylvanas right at the start. It's not like the attack on Darkshore actually achieved anything meaningful for the Horde.

He didn't do that either. Funny that. God, the writing was so stupid. I love Kul Tiras, it has so much personality, but the actual faction war....ughh

[Nymrohd]

If he wanted minimal deaths, he should have challenged Sylvanas right at the start. It's not like the attack on Darkshore actually achieved anything meaningful for the Horde.

I mean the entire Fourth War scenario made no sense and only worked by handing Alliance the idiot hat.

But we are going way off topic.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

What are the chances of getting 10.2.5 PTR this week or the next one? Might Blizzard reveal It before Blizzcon to fully focus in 11.0 and (hopefully) 10.3?

probably low.

I think they will release 10.2.5 on ptr same week when 10.2 goes up on live.

[Northelim]

What are the chances of getting 10.2.5 PTR this week or the next one? Might Blizzard reveal It before Blizzcon to fully focus in 11.0 and (hopefully) 10.3?

10.2.5 will most likely be up as soon as 10.2 releases on the 14th of November, usually that's how it has been.

[KyleEverett]

That's the worst thing about BfA/Shadowlands. There are parts where Sylvanas is written really well and in an interesting way.

But then they realized that, oh shit, we have to turn her into a villain!

I'll admit I still get chills from her For the Horde! in the cinematic. I was almost proud to be Horde for a second but then... yeah.

[Grazrug]

10.2.5 will most likely be up as soon as 10.2 releases on the 14th of November, usually that's how it has been.

Patch comes on 7th November

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To be fair, it's not like killing Malfurion would have stopped Tyrande from going berserk on them. If anything had Saurfang killed Malf then I don't see how the Night Elves would ever stop until they were all dead or every Horde member in Kalimdor was.

If the Horde went berserk any time a beloved leader dies Stormwind would burn by now

[Harbour]

im always up for this, i will be disappointed if next expansion won't have any.

I would honestly be very surprised if there would be no really huge character and spell customization update.
Blizzard always act on genre trends with a huge time lag.
FF14 popularity spike in 2021 showed the tremedndously high demand for cosmetics from MMO players, and casuals valuing looks as much as power if not higher.
It was too late to implement more customization (beyond minor additions here and there) options for DF, but i believe Blizzard will try hard to deliver on that in 11.0.
Trading Post was the first sign of coming juice and i think it was just the beginning.

[Grazrug]

Tbh.. I don't want Silvermoon or Quel'thalas revamped unless it is an expansion focus, like they did for night elves in Legion. Suramar and Nar'thalas were that good because that was the main architecture of the expansion and they could pour art assets into it. Tbh, that effort can likely produce every night elf urban city they choose to make for the next decade or two until another massive upgrade.

Silvermoon needs that sort of central focus to be really good. Or have you not noticed the best art work is done when it is an expansion focus - just like the original Silvermoon.

But I do want a revamp. Would be nice to get Azure/Bloodmyst revamp - I really hope they use Shattrath and Auchindouin style for more Draenei cities and structures, I thought those were so good, a copy paste plus polish would be good enough for me.

On main land - Feralas and Un'goro are still in classic state. they need total revamp - which gives hope for Dire MAul and Eldre'thalas to be an actual cit - total redesign, likely a copy paste from Suramar would work as it is night elven civilization architecture. How that ties in with AMirdrassil.. i don't know.. but I wouldn't be surprised if AMirdrassil ends up in Feralas now.. but it could end up on the new conitent if the Elun'ahir world tree thing is real.. it could end up in the Emerald Dream. Whatever they do, I do wish for a stunningly beautiful night elf city, night elven love of nature and Elune is the source of their beautiful architecture - as it's emulating beauty of nature in stone and doing something incredible to reflect the beauty of their goddes s 0 this is how the Cathedral of Eternal Night is so good,and then the city structures try to copy the temples - it is arcane and nature magic used to build them. So I expect something that looks really nice.

I would prefer every racial capital to have or be city hubs themselves... and every character be given a racial insta hearthstone there. Every capital has a portal room network, and one of those rooms is just for portals to other cities, with the rest being portals to expansion hubs. Not just stormwind and Orgrimmar. The idea is that the likely place in a city a person would be is their racial hub, and it's a super server there. Where they don't have a city, an allied race will share with a main race or vice versa until they get one. In addition. Kezan, Gilneas City are now the hubs for Goblins and Worgen revamped to be useable. Void elves can hitch with the Night elves till they get their place. Mag'har with the orcs in Orgrimmar. Pandas are in the Veil shrines. Dracthyr in Valdrakken. Darkspears can choose Dazar'alar or maybe even Atal'dazar or Orgrimmar - unless they want to make them move to a revamped Zul'gurub or copy paste one of the troll designs on Echo Isle. Gnomes I would say can choose Mechagon or Gnomeragan - but ideally Gnomeragan would be revamped.

Dark Irons will be in Thaurissian city - revamped and is a dungeon you help them clear.

Mag'har would be interesting.. do you split them up by clans and ship them in difffernet places, keep them in ORgrimmar ,or have them together in a new place like Borean Tundra orc fortresss expanded into a city? (copy past architecture from WoD - Iron docks.

Why should the Darkspear leave their Island. Why shouldn't the Mag'har try to get Draenor Back?

[Wangming]

If the Horde went berserk any time a beloved leader dies Stormwind would burn by now

To be fair Cairne was killed by Garrosh, Garrosh was killed by Thrall, Vol'Jin was killed by the Legion. Has the Alliance even killed an important Horde leader since the Second War?

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Why should the Darkspear leave their Island. Why shouldn't the Mag'har try to get Draenor Back?

Darkspear should leave their island cause it isn't their actual home. Zul'Gurub is. They were just exiled from their. Maybe it is time to mend those bridges and turn Zul'Gurub into a proper capital.

[Grazrug]

To be fair Cairne was killed by Garrosh, Garrosh was killed by Thrall, Vol'Jin was killed by the Legion. Has the Alliance even killed an important Horde leader since the Second War?

The alliance killed Rastakhan. Yet Talanji gave in to the peace treaty. Also it doesen't matter who killed them all culprits stayed alive mostly and the Horde forces never tried to avenge anyone. That is what happens when the story to be passive. The night elves are not alone in having to deal with this.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

I would honestly be very surprised if there would be no really huge character and spell customization update.
Blizzard always act on genre trends with a huge time lag.
FF14 popularity spike in 2021 showed the tremedndously high demand for cosmetics from MMO players, and casuals valuing looks as much as power if not higher.
It was too late to implement more customization (beyond minor additions here and there) options for DF, but i believe Blizzard will try hard to deliver on that in 11.0.
Trading Post was the first sign of coming juice and i think it was just the beginning.

Fashion is the true endgame, you lose power every patch and expansion but fashion stays forever.

[Gigantique]

Wow this never occurred to me, but yeah, they never went to Draenor with Velen, right? Lol whoops!

Edit: Wait I think that’s wrong. Pretty sure they called themselves Draenei “exiled ones” before splitting and landing on Draenor.

Aye the naming is the other way around, Draenei named Draenor after themselves (and the Lightforges broke away from Velen's bunch some time between becoming Draenei and landing on Draenor)

[Wangming]

Fashion is the true endgame, you lose power every patch and expansion but fashion stays forever.

I mean this has been a running gag in the FFXIV community for close to ten years now. Glamour is the true end game.
There is this one guy who glamours (transmog there) into Colonel Sanders and hands out fried chicken to random players just because.

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Aye the naming is the other way around, Draenei named Draenor after themselves (and the Lightforges broke away from Velen's bunch some time between becoming Draenei and landing on Draenor)

Yes. Draenor is something like "Exile's Refuge". They already called themselves "Exiled Ones" instead of Eredar.

[Thomir]

Aye the naming is the other way around, Draenei named Draenor after themselves (and the Lightforges broke away from Velen's bunch some time between becoming Draenei and landing on Draenor)

I was under the impression that the Lightforged Draenei are the ones who stayed behind and resisted the Legion. But I suppose that bit of lore would be disrespectful to Velen's sacrifice.