Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[ercarp]

Which expansion had the least info leaked? I don't remember anything from bfa being leaked.

I think Legion caught a lot of people by surprise (despite the fact that it did leak) because going from demons (435 days of Hellfire Citadel) to even more demons didn't sit right with a lot of people. I saw all the leaks going on about Illidan returning, Demon Hunters, etc. etc. but I was still convinced we were getting a South Seas/Naga expansion until the announcement trailer was shown.

[Woggmer]

I'd love to see an animation update in the same vein that we got in Legion. DK's, monks, and hunters in particular need it the most.

Well that's the irony of it all... Monks used to have an insane amount of attack animations through the ability, Jab, and the animations would change depending on the weapon they used.

When Legion rolled around, they got rid of all those animations because Monks were stuck with Fist Weapons for the entire expansion, and they still never gave back those animations. Now, Monks are stuck with using their fist weapon animations regardless of what weapon they had equipped.

[Mace]

Leek pie! a seasonal delight!



She's such an amazing villain



I'm still hoping tbh, and if not 11.0... there is still 12.0 brother

Still 12.0 - reminds me of the days I use to wish for a night elf revamp and we'd get a pristine night elf city like the ones described in the opening night elf trilogy.. every expansion had the same sighing/wish.. Cata revamp held the most promise, thought they might actually do it then, but they massively ignored the night elf art assets, and then they came off terrible in the quests.

But 4 years after, legion finally came, and they did it, they actually did it, and it was the best artwork they've done for night elves, it really felt like the descriptions rom the book.. I could see the stuff written in WotA trilogy coming to life, felt so night elfy.. it finally came.. and they make the Nightborne playable too - I was not expecting that. Hoping, but not expecting.. but it also happened. [Although the manner it happened.. well, that I was not impressed with]

Wold love to see a decent world revamp, where they really cared for all the assets they did. A lot of that art work is really cool, would love to see more, I really would like grand visions for expansions, and sometimes I feel a little continent box is too small and asking me to pay $69.99 for it... well, I want to be WoW'd.. it's their fault really, they were the ones that impressed me to begin with, so naturally I am expectant. But hope deferred makes the heart grow faint and wow isn't real life, it's not that hard to cut off if it continues to bring disappointment... so they shouldn't take too long.
so yeh, there is hope, if not 11.0, then we'll look for it in 12.0

[Izalla]

I remember reading something about that in A Good War that Malfurion and Tyrande needed to be killed for the original plan to work. Saurfang did try to challenge Malfurion in the war and almost burried alive while Malfurion tell him off by saying that his challenges of duel mean nothing to him.

People looking back on BfA thinking it was an ok or good expansion forgot a lot of things about it. The only good thing about the expansion is that the dev did try and worked a lot. They delivered a lot of content and were reactive though the result remains truly aweful...

Speak for yourself. I loved BFA from beginning to end. It drove me nuts to see Blizz putting so much love and effort into that expansion and seeing nothing but bitching over Azerite armour and Sylvanas on the forums. It's up there with Wrath and MoP to me in terms of my enjoyment.

[Scyth]

I'd love to see an animation update in the same vein that we got in Legion. DK's, monks, and hunters in particular need it the most.

Shamans say hi!

Many classes could do with updates tbh and it's definitely something I'm hoping we get next xpac.

[Imotbh]

I mean, look at Arathi Highlands, not exactly fitting of the revamp definition some people have, but for all intents and purposes did get a facelift. If it's like that with some fresh content thrown in, that's fine by me.

I think that's what we would get with a world revamp expansion.

[Houle]

She's such an amazing villain

Yeah sure, that was the point here...her beautiful personality lel

[Woggmer]

And I hope, that if we do get an underground expansion, we do not get Undermine. Or at least just degrade it to a dungeon. Imagine the fun you can have with the bosses/encounters there.

...Then it would just be like Gnomergan and Mechagon.

For once, maybe have an underground city that actually IS a city and not just some raid or dungeon.

Heck, for all we know, they could make the Undermine look like Wall Market from FF7 with interconnecting sections of the city and since there's Azerite underneath, have Gallywix run the whole city and use the Azerite like Mako.

Focus on the city aspect, rather than the underground aspect.

[Lady Atia]

...Then it would just be like Gnomergan and Mechagon.

For once, maybe have an underground city that actually IS a city and not just some raid or dungeon.

Heck, for all we know, they could make the Undermine look like Wall Market from FF7 with interconnecting sections of the city and since there's Azerite underneath, have Gallywix run the whole city and use the Azerite like Mako.

Focus on the city aspect, rather than the underground aspect.

You also forgot Tazavesh, which was an awesome city yet again only used for the dungeon without the option to visit it after the initial run. But atleast we got Korthia, the city of secrets, right? RIGHT?

[Grazrug]

Why shouldn't they? The point here is to get a city hub, doesn't matter if it's on Echo Isle, or in their original terirtory in STV .. i.e. Zul'gurub (being a Gurubashi tribe of trolls), or back in trolll ancestral lands amongst the Zandalari - as long as they get a city hub is what I'm getting at.

i'd liek the Mag'har to get Au Draenor back, but since that is not in our universe, maybe they revamp Outland to be a lo t like AU DRaenor, it was the Outland revamp - tbf. I'd like that.. It's their home, they should have it

I support anything that brings my fav races out of dread.

[Alanar]

Token gestures for the others.
A little bit of something for Void Elves.
Everything is Night Elf focus

Nothing for Blood Elves or Nightborne because he's frightened to death of a Silvermoon/Quel'Thalas revamp taking attention away from the poor, poor night elves. Aww, such babies aren't they - the night elves.

Hes such a drag. Every day a little bit more.

[Ferlion]

I remember reading something about that in A Good War that Malfurion and Tyrande needed to be killed for the original plan to work. Saurfang did try to challenge Malfurion in the war and almost burried alive while Malfurion tell him off by saying that his challenges of duel mean nothing to him.

People looking back on BfA thinking it was an ok or good expansion forgot a lot of things about it. The only good thing about the expansion is that the dev did try and worked a lot. They delivered a lot of content and were reactive though the result remains truly aweful...

Malfurion OR Tyrande.

Sylvanas wanted Tyrande gone, and it was clarified in I think Elegy that Tyrande being gone was one of the goals before the attack went off.

Blizzard has a habbit of not always showing it, but Tyrande is the bigger threat than Malfurion in an army setting like that. Hell, Tyrande is likely the bigger threat one on one. By far, in the military setting though. In Wolfheart, Tyrande and some of her priestess completely shut down one of the largest Horde armies ever assembled. It was outright stated to be one of the largest ever. The only reason it wasn't a complete route is because Garrosh had Magnataur and nobody knew about it.

It wasn't just making people stronger. It was blinding the army by amplifying moonlight and shining it in peoples eyes. It was creating a fog that stopped the Horde from casting spells.

More, Malfurion was able to outfight Saurfang in melee combat using just a finger knife thing (which is really stupid, mind) and Tyrande is FAR better with weapons than Malfurion. Not just a bow, also martial arts similar to a monks fighting. It's been said in books that she can easily cave an orcs throat in with her strikes. And then she's got her glaives.

It's actually one of the biggest problems thematically with the Night Warrior. Tyrande is the last person who needs any sort of power boost. The novels have her do crazy stuff. Make clones of herself out of Elunes power to fight off an army of old god Satyr type crazy stuff.

[Teriz]

I would love an underground expansion if they can make the areas feel like huge open caves. Not like Zaralek, Deepholme or that Naga zone we got after Mechagon.

And I hope, that if we do get an underground expansion, we do not get Undermine. Or at least just degrade it to a dungeon. Imagine the fun you can have with the bosses/encounters there.

Uh why would you not include a cosmopolitan underground metropolis linked to multiple major characters in an underground expansion? That makes zero sense.

Additionally, if you know the lore behind Undermine, you quickly realize that it also makes zero sense to make it into a dungeon.

If anything, Undermine makes the most sense as a faction hub and base of operations for both Alliance and Horde as they descend deeper into Azeroth if not a central half-continent or continent in of itself.

[Darkarath]

Speak for yourself. I loved BFA from beginning to end. It drove me nuts to see Blizz putting so much love and effort into that expansion and seeing nothing but bitching over Azerite armour and Sylvanas on the forums. It's up there with Wrath and MoP to me in terms of my enjoyment.

I kind of agree. BfA had many positives and I think that is one of the expansions that I have played the most:

- Patch 8.2 is one of the best patches in WoW's history if not the best IMO.

- Azshara is one of the few villains with a personality and she is just cool, although she did not get enough screentime.

- Both continents were awesome.

- Patch 8.3 was dissapointing but the corruption system, even with its many problems, was fun, and the Visions of N'zoth solo scenarios and progression was really fun too.

- The Azerite system was a disaster, though, especially until 8.1.

- In the other hand, 8.2 Azerite system is one of the best things they have ever done.

- The story was a mess and the way in which they handled N'zoth was atrocious.

- Also, I do not remember playing an expansion with so many bugs for so much time.

- Islands were a fun side activity. They could have been improved in many ways, and hopefully they will revisit the idea.

- Finally, while I enjoyed Nazjatar, they hyped It for so long that what we got was not enough.

[lanerios]

Uh why would you not include a cosmopolitan underground metropolis linked to multiple major characters in an underground expansion? That makes zero sense.

Additionally, if you know the lore behind Undermine, you quickly realize that it also makes zero sense to make it into a dungeon.

because they never ever ever used a city/town for a dungeon setting right? right?

[Teriz]

because they never ever ever used a city/town for a dungeon setting right? right?

Yeah, cities or towns that were taken over by ghouls or demons. Undermine is under the control of the ultra wealthy Goblin trade coalition who we're not at war with and have never been at war with. Why would we have a dungeon where we're running through Undermine? It's a NEUTRAL location that works with both the Horde and the Alliance.

[Nightshade711]

I fully agree, but sadly we still have some people who claim that it has been promised in vanilla, so it will be added for sure next expansion. Asking for sources? Silence ofcourse.

Agreed. I mean there’s a lot that were “intended for Vanilla” that ended up just being patch zones or dungeons/raids. (Nazjatar, Malestrom, Kezan, Ulduar continent, etc etc)
Or relegated to something even smaller like the island expeditions did to Crestfall.

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Yeah, cities or towns that were taken over by ghouls or demons. Undermine is under the control of the ultra wealthy Goblin trade coalition who we're not at war with and have never been at war with. Why would we have a dungeon where we're running through Undermine? It's a NEUTRAL location that works with both the Horde and the Alliance.

Mechagon

/10chars

[Teriz]

Mechagon

/10chars

You mean the lost city controlled by a psychotic gnome that wanted to turn all living things into machines? Yeah, you can do a mega-dungeon with that because you gotta stop that guy.

What does that have to do with Undermine?

[Mace]

Malfurion OR Tyrande.

Sylvanas wanted Tyrande gone, and it was clarified in I think Elegy that Tyrande being gone was one of the goals before the attack went off.

Blizzard has a habbit of not always showing it, but Tyrande is the bigger threat than Malfurion in an army setting like that. Hell, Tyrande is likely the bigger threat one on one. By far, in the military setting though. In Wolfheart, Tyrande and some of her priestess completely shut down one of the largest Horde armies ever assembled. It was outright stated to be one of the largest ever. The only reason it wasn't a complete route is because Garrosh had Magnataur and nobody knew about it.

It wasn't just making people stronger. It was blinding the army by amplifying moonlight and shining it in peoples eyes. It was creating a fog that stopped the Horde from casting spells.

More, Malfurion was able to outfight Saurfang in melee combat using just a finger knife thing (which is really stupid, mind) and Tyrande is FAR better with weapons than Malfurion. Not just a bow, also martial arts similar to a monks fighting. It's been said in books that she can easily cave an orcs throat in with her strikes. And then she's got her glaives.

It's actually one of the biggest problems thematically with the Night Warrior. Tyrande is the last person who needs any sort of power boost. The novels have her do crazy stuff. Make clones of herself out of Elunes power to fight off an army of old god Satyr type crazy stuff.

Night warrior Tyrande Tree Queen Goddess avatar - need no man to keep her going.

It's good she's getting spotlight.. but I don't like her doing druid stuff. That should be Malfurion or another Staghlem if Malfurion is "sleeping" yet again.

[Cheezits]

The gameplay loop of grinding Azerite is why BFA is widely regarded as one of the most hated expansions. A lot of people also hated Teldrassil and not being able to rebel against Sylvanas/Nathanos/Evil Horde, as well as how N'zoth was handled at the end.

Zone and (most) lorewise I think a lot of people liked it a lot, but gameplay wise it was like the reverse of DF. Also the way the devs reacted to the hate for the plot basically tanked all communication between devs and players forever. Couple Blizzard devs got so upset they legitimately quit the company because of how players treated them (I can think of two notable ones).