Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Wangming]

5000 posts earlier

Keep the last 3 lines of the original leak, the rest can die in a fire.

[Holdodlig]

Undermine for ecample

Going to be a giant mine with some goblin building. I mean, we already have a battleground looking like that. What I want to say is that most geographic themes were already exploited in game. It's going to be hard for Blizzard to build something that looks new.

[Wangming]

You can't possibly consider the website leak not fake. The shapes are not lining up with the screen, the aesthetics are not there, just look up dragonflight's website. The leak looks like smth they did in 2012. Also the space on the website is not at all utilized, again, check the dragonflight website, they have wide images etc.

Yeah the website is defo a fake, but people brought it back cause one of those ogre-dwarf-stone guys is seemingly in one of the pictures.
Granted people were convinced the stone guy from the DF trailer screenshot was Garrosh, so who knows? Certainly not us.

[Nyel]

Exactly. It would help if the prepatch stories stayed in the game permanently, but I still feel like the hook for DF was pretty weak and if Avaloren is legit I fear it will be even weaker.
I hope I am wrong. I really do.

I mean we already know they’re not going to top the Dragonflight feature list (aka the next expansion definitely will not have a new class and massive changes like the new talent tree or whatever), so this really feels like the downgrade we got from Legion to BfA. And Dragonflight was far, far away from being the success that Legion was. The next expansion shouldn’t be less than Dragonflight in that regard, but it most likely will be exactly that. Just hoping the leak is not true, but we know Blizzard and they’re lazy and creatively bankrupt, so this really could be what’s to come. If it’s something different and out of the line I think everybody would be positively surprised. But again, this is still the same old Blizzard we already know and they haven’t added anything groundbreaking or truly innovative in the last years.

[Makorus]

I mean we already know they’re not going to top the Dragonflight feature list (aka the next expansion definitely will not have a new class and massive changes like the new talent tree or whatever), so this really feels like the downgrade we got from Legion to BfA. And Dragonflight was far, far away from being the success that Legion was. The next expansion shouldn’t be less than Dragonflight in that regard, but it most likely will be exactly that. Just hoping the leak is not true, but we know Blizzard and they’re lazy and creatively bankrupt, so this really could be what’s to come. If it’s something different and out of the line I think everybody would be positively surprised. But again, this is still the same old Blizzard we already know and they haven’t added anything groundbreaking or truly innovative in the last years.

Based on what

[Harbour]

5000 posts earlier

It looks like what fake leaker would think believable leak look like
Describe some meaningless things specifically (Genn new look! Lorthemar and Thalyssara statues!), sprinkle with things that makes sense (class/race combos), add new feature (becasue of course, there must be one!) - ships or something.

not buying it at all
it might be the same guy who made the todays leak even, trying to push the same narrative

but the main reason why i dont buy it is very simple - this leak just like most of them describes basically DF 2.0 in literally everything. Another round of dragons, elementals and titan keepers in the forgotten islands?
I dont believe Blizzard are that crazy. The expansion must offer REALLY cool features to offset the dead boring and samey premise. Like REAAAALY cool and must play features. Without those features i personally wouldnt buy an expac these leaks describe.

[Delever]

Yup. After over 15 years, there's just no getting away from the fact that people will never learn fucking anything.

"Hey guys, there's a listing in Leipzig Gaming Convention confirming Wrath of the Lich King."
"Ugh, fake. Arthas is a God, we can't possibly fight him."



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Pretty much this. I m not saying this leak is necessarily real but the fact that after all this time people are discounting this so easily and so fast is really surprising to me. After being proven wrong multiple times even when people nitpick shit like "omg low res textures, omg dracthyr look like shit, omg we cant possibly fight arthas" you d think that after a while people would realize that its sometimes difficult to outright tell whether something is fake or not.

[Merryck]

Why are people assuming these heretics on Avaloren are morally right? It is far more likely that they're depraved followers of the Void or some other malignant force.

[KyleEverett]

Why are people assuming these heretics on Avaloren are morally right? It is far more likely that they're depraved followers of the Void or some other malignant force.

Because the story is setting up the Titans to not be our friends and we're just pawns for Order like the Light wanted from Illidan. The entire story lately has been about how mortals and the natives of Azeroth having to stand up and defend the world for themselves and no one else.

[caliphax]

I'm not discounting it necessarily, I just think we know virtually nothing from the images given so far. Sure we got some images of some supposed zones and a new race. But we don't know the context it's presented in. Context is king. Until Blizz confirms anything I'm going to treat this as an interesting couple of picutres but nothing more.

Remember the artwork of the ships in Stormwind? People were 100% convinced they were real and they turned out not to be.

[Wangming]

Why are people assuming these heretics on Avaloren are morally right? It is far more likely that they're depraved followers of the Void or some other malignant force.

That would be cool though. Still no idea why we would go there, but I would rather have Stormsong Valley, the continent, than Dragonflight 2: Electric Bogaloo

[ImTheMizAwesome]

I think it's closer to being real, not the laptop one but the newest leak - but even then if someone would show me this and lied to me that this is some kind of a bigger major 10.3 patch stuff for dragonflight i would believe that.

Zones presentation actually gives me the feeling the first time new zones for DF were revealed, especially the first pic in the newest leak with "avaloren" text, if it said "dragon isles", i would believe it insta.

[Nyel]

Based on what

The past years.

[Woke it Up]

I think it's closer to being real, not the laptop one but the newest leak - but even then if someone would show me this and lied to me that this is some kind of a bigger major 10.3 patch stuff for dragonflight i would believe that.

Zones presentation actually gives me the feeling the first time new zones for DF were revealed, especially the first pic in the newest leak with "avaloren" text, if it said "dragon isles", i would believe it insta.

The three leaks are self xonxistent, and even the art is similar between the website and the zone leak, if someone has a process for making fake layouts and some talent I don't see those not being the same person.

At this point though this is 100% what I would expect. But if there's boats and harbors being added, I really hope that EK and K will finally be on the same map or the ocean is a tunnel between. That is the biggest revamp needed, especially with dragknriding.

[Merryck]

Because the story is setting up the Titans to not be our friends and we're just pawns for Order like the Light wanted from Illidan. The entire story lately has been about how mortals and the natives of Azeroth having to stand up and defend the world for themselves and no one else.

I don't think I'm going to play the next expansion if I'm forced to befriend these heretics. Hopefully we are given more choices in this anti-Titan narrative, that there is more nuance beyond Titans bad. But that Odyn quest does not give me hope.

[Nyel]

Because the story is setting up the Titans to not be our friends and we're just pawns for Order like the Light wanted from Illidan. The entire story lately has been about how mortals and the natives of Azeroth having to stand up and defend the world for themselves and no one else.

If we go by this, why does it matter? What’s the premise for the average citizen on Azeroth (aka our own playable character)? If we should stand for ourselves and just ourselves why are we always following some higher being (in Dragonflight it‘s the dragons / aspects) and not our own agenda? Where‘s the sense behind all of that when we still end up being pawns for someone who’s stronger?

[Wangming]

I don't think I'm going to play the next expansion if I'm forced to befriend these heretics. Hopefully we are given more choices in this anti-Titan narrative, that there is more nuance beyond Titans bad. But that Odyn quest does not give me hope.

Well BfA gave us a chance to support Sylvanas despite everything. Maybe this time the Faction War will be against Titans and Heretics. A much less relatable Faction War.

[Mace]

5000 posts earlier

Has the thought of detail that could be real, all of these things are easily possible not controversial either.. they do tempt what people have longed for - Silvermoon revamp and Gilneas useable - which is what makes it a bit suspicious tbh, fan desires rarely come to pass. And no one can tell if anything about the new continent is true or not. Another example is other classes for Dracthyr - while again this could easily be a given, it's also a fan wish, and when too many happen in a lie, it usually means it is fake as it sounds to much like what too many would want to believe real. Another teller is how information on everything but elves ives from the rest of the world is missing, most of the fan base plays elves, so this is likely a wishful and appealing.. therefore not likely to be true. HE would have gotten away with it if he just mentioned Silvermoon because he uses it as a harbour presumably hinting at that's who we get to new continent. But then mentions Gilneas without one, way too specific. If alliance and high elf ships are at the Silvermoon docks, the clearly the factions are leaving form the same place, Gilneas mention only specifically targets another group which smacks of fan desire rather than a true leak. However the short length and lots of vagueness with some class mention including Dracthyr to lend itself to a a real leak format. But let me explore some of the ideas of it, after all it could be genuine, though unlikely and does have an appeal to me.

Do I like the sound of it? Silvermoon yes, it's the sort of development I would expect.. Humans and high elf craft coming out of it speaks of more cross faction corporation than before which is interesting. Not sure what to think of that. on the one hand not having blood elves and Nightborne enemy to human and night elf while being on the opposite faction will indicate that factions will never be wholly at war, and deep friendships can occur across the line -it will also stifle and would have stifled all the alliance/horde bickering on fairness which ahs largely centred around the elves ever since blood elves went horde. But it does raise questions to whether we'd have faction conflict ever again.

That's easy to answer, no one said faction conflict needed to be black and while, you can easily have Tauren and Nightborne friendly and supportive of night elves, Blood elves friendly and supportive of humans though not aligned and having half their number wanting to tear them apart. What keeps a race in the faction is often simply either having bonds they can't break, or a combination of more friends on one side and more enemies on the other side, not necessarily all enemies. for example, Blood elves could never see themselves friendly with night elves - all night elves/ no specifically the alliance aligned Darnassians, despite the fact Nightborne their best friends considered them heroes even revere them and like them, and tauren also get on well with them. Could be this is the case with 2/3 of blood elves, but 1/3 don't feel that way.

high elves don't exactly hate blood elves, they hate the betrayal in TBC, but since legion the fel has become a lot more understood, they long for their land and unity, as do the blood elves long for the high elves too, yet, they are firm in their friendships and commitments to faction.. what's the impasse? Well, why let the horde and alliance determine their reactions to each other? Surely they can have political leanings and decide they won't let faction conflicts and mistrust allow one elf to raise arms against another, regardless of who their friends are.. this speaks of actually a decision to be more loyal to each other who are family than to your friends. It also helps if 1/2 of the blood elves actually like humans too, liking humans doesn't mean they are willing to trust them enough to leave the horde, but it means they wont act as enemies. Another compelling reason is if a pact is made with the high elvws for the sake of their race, then it could be both factions can be welcome to Silvermoon but the peace must be kept. alliance must be weary they have leave to enter only because of the high elves and it is a horde city so they just be mindful.. I can swallow that.


Night elves in Gilneas, well, the friendship with night elves and Gilneans has been little used. and while I expect a little bit more of the kaldorei with the Gilneans, I would have thought the alliance would mostly sail for so called Avaloren from Azuremyst on the other side in stead...but who knows, nothing is mentioned of Gilneas ships, so maybe both sail from Quel'thalas instead.

this would make Quel'thalas a spot for a revamp. which is good. But then are the night elves getting a city to share with the worgen? That would be a kick in the teeth, night elves should have their own city and in the best of their architecture too, they can't have the likes of Suramar and Zin'Azshari under their belt only to live in a human city. A night elf district in Gilneas sounds awesome only if the night elves have a city of their won personally. Perhaps the night elves getting a city sparks a remodel of Silvermoon at last...but nothing is mentioned of Azuremyst. .. Have the Draenei built a city in the Dalaran crater/.? Like Shattrath and or Auchindouin where the light is now based.. it would be interesting for Lightforged forsaken across in Lordaeron, and maybe the compromise for the alliance not gaining Lordaeron.. who knows.. that would have been interesting.

Night elves should have a beautiful tree that surpasses old model Teldrassil and city that simply rivals SuramarZin'Azshari and the best of what they lost if theyw anna see the end of alliance whining, with a beautiful tree showcasing nature like the Emerald dream patch did but with the aesthetics closer to Ardenweald.. they are NIGHT people for crying out loud.

With that in mind, Gilneas is very welcome to have a Night elf quarter, but I expect Azuremyst to have indication of night elves too. Silvermoon is very welcome to have humans and high elves welcome again. that would be good. I'm fine with the only night elves welcome in Silvermoon being Nightborne and Moonguard/Highborne kind.. though I doubt or think it should end there to be honest.

Meanwhile if Silvermoon is ab it open, then the new night elf home could be too. Dracthyr, Ngihtborne, Tauren, any race linked to Elune, the Well of Eternity and the Emerald Dream - lovers of nature and lovers of the night, lovers of magic and lovers of the dream. You'd mostly expect Elf kind and Tauren kind, but worgen, humans, and if Shandris friendship with Voss goes further, then it would seem Forsaken too - symbol of healing I suppose wouldn't put it past blizz. Would that in turn open up Lordaeron to humans again especially the light ones because of the Lightforged ? Derek and calia? Who knows.

IF those are symbols of peace between the factions where would the war come from? Forsaken v Worgen? Humans V Orcs. Tauren v Dwaves? Night elves v Blood elves?

Elves still hate trolls. humans and orcs still hate each other. trolls hate everyone but their friends. Dwarves don't forgive or forget no still l many avenues for conflicts.. but they would be more specific this time, less all encompassing. Groups within races or clans

[Woke it Up]

Has the thought of detail that could be real, all of these things are easily possible not controversial either.. they do tempt what people have longed for - Silvermoon revamp and Gilneas useable - which is what makes it a bit suspicious tbh, fan desires rarely come to pass. And no one can tell if anything about the new continent is true or not.

Do I like the sound of it? Silvermoon yes, it's the sort of development I would expect.. Humans and high elf craft coming out of it speaks of more cross faction corporation than before which is interesting. Not sure what to think of that. on the one hand not having blood elves and Nightborne enemy to human and night elf while being on the opposite faction will indicate that factions will never be wholly at war, and deep friendships can occur across the line -it will also stifle and would have stifled all the alliance/horde bickering on fairness which ahs largely centred around the elves ever since blood elves went horde. But it does raise questions to whether we'd have faction conflict ever again.

That's easy to answer, no one said faction conflict needed to be black and while, you can easily have Tauren and Nightborne friendly and supportive of night elves, Blood elves friendly and supportive of humans though not aligned and having half their number wanting to tear them apart. What keeps a race in the faction is often simply either having bonds they can't break, or a combination of more friends on one side and more enemies on the other side, not necessarily all enemies. for example, Blood elves could never see themselves friendly with night elves - all night elves/ no specifically the alliance aligned Darnassians, despite the fact Nightborne their best friends considered them heroes even revere them and like them, and tauren also get on well with them. Could be this is the case with 2/3 of blood elves, but 1/3 don't feel that way.

high elves don't exactly hate blood elves, they hate the betrayal in TBC, but since legion the fel has become a lot more understood, they long for their land and unity, as do the blood elves long for the high elves too, yet, they are firm in their friendships and commitments to faction.. what's the impasse? Well, why let the horde and alliance determine their reactions to each other? Surely they can have political leanings and decide they won't let faction conflicts and mistrust allow one elf to raise arms against another, regardless of who their friends are.. this speaks of actually a decision to be more loyal to each other who are family than to your friends. It also helps if 1/2 of the blood elves actually like humans too, liking humans doesn't mean they are willing to trust them enough to leave the horde, but it means they wont act as enemies. Another compelling reason is if a pact is made with the high elvws for the sake of their race, then it could be both factions can be welcome to Silvermoon but the peace must be kept. alliance must be weary they have leave to enter only because of the high elves and it is a horde city so they just be mindful.. I can swallow that.


Night elves in Gilneas, well, the friendship with night elves and Gilneans has been little used. and while I expect a little bit more of the kaldorei with the Gilneans, I would have thought the alliance would mostly sail for so called Avaloren from Azuremyst on the other side in stead...but who knows, nothing is mentioned of Gilneas ships, so maybe both sail from Quel'thalas instead.

this would make Quel'thalas a spot for a revamp. which is good. But then are the night elves getting a city to share with the worgen? That would be a kick in the teeth, night elves should have their own city and in the best of their architecture too, they can't have the likes of Suramar and Zin'Azshari under their belt only to live in a human city. A night elf district in Gilneas sounds awesome only if the night elves have a city of their won personally. Perhaps the night elves getting a city sparks a remodel of Silvermoon at last...but nothing is mentioned of Azuremyst. .. Have the Draenei built a city in the Dalaran crater/.? Like Shattrath and or Auchindouin where the light is now based.. it would be interesting for Lightforged forsaken across in Lordaeron, and maybe the compromise for the alliance not gaining Lordaeron.. who knows.. that would have been interesting.

Night elves should have a beautiful tree that surpasses old model Teldrassil and city that simply rivals SuramarZin'Azshari and the best of what they lost if theyw anna see the end of alliance whining, with a beautiful tree showcasing nature like the Emerald dream patch did but with the aesthetics closer to Ardenweald.. they are NIGHT people for crying out loud.

With that in mind, Gilneas is very welcome to have a Night elf quarter, but I expect Azuremyst to have indication of night elves too. Silvermoon is very welcome to have humans and high elves welcome again. that would be good. I'm fine with the only night elves welcome in Silvermoon being Nightborne and Moonguard/Highborne kind.. though I doubt or think it should end there to be honest.

Meanwhile if Silvermoon is ab it open, then the new night elf home could be too. Dracthyr, Ngihtborne, Tauren, any race linked to Elune, the Well of Eternity and the Emerald Dream - lovers of nature and lovers of the night, lovers of magic and lovers of the dream. You'd mostly expect Elf kind and Tauren kind, but worgen, humans, and if Shandris friendship with Voss goes further, then it would seem Forsaken too - symbol of healing I suppose wouldn't put it past blizz. Would that in turn open up Lordaeron to humans again especially the light ones because of the Lightforged ? Derek and calia? Who knows.

IF those are symbols of peace between the factions where would the war come from? Forsaken v Worgen? Humans V Orcs. Tauren v Dwaves? Night elves v Blood elves?

Elves still hate trolls. humans and orcs still hate each other. trolls hate everyone but their friends. Dwarves don't forgive or forget no still l many avenues for conflicts.. but they would be more specific this time, less all encompassing. Groups within races or clans

It would be getting merged with EK so you can dragonride there

[ImTheMizAwesome]

The three leaks are self xonxistent, and even the art is similar between the website and the zone leak, if someone has a process for making fake layouts and some talent I don't see those not being the same person.

I vaguely remember that someone actually said that the laptop stuff was fake and they made that, unless my mind is having wrong memory of that.

It's one of these things im almost 100% sure i saw but now i can't find anything about that, but maybe it was another leak.

And ye, it could be the same person because the two dwarf goliaths model have the same markings on chest.