Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

I still think we're being trolled because none of this adds up to Mike Ybarras' comments or the Gamespot interview.

The people presiding over the Warcraft section is Metzen and Holly, why the fuck would a 4 zone isolated island with 8 dungeons 1 raid on a accelerated schedule be what they would bring to the table as presenters?

Not to speak of the marketing overhype around this event with two "Chris Metzen will be there, btws".

[KyleEverett]

I still think we're being trolled because none of this adds up to Mike Ybarras' comments or the Gamespot interview.

The people presiding over the Warcraft section is Metzen and Holly, why the fuck would a 4 zone isolated island with 8 dungeons 1 raid be what they would bring to the table as presenters?

Cause Longdale is the Producer of all things Warcraft now?

[Izalla]

Its the best fake ever aside from maybe the stormwind ghost ship if its fake.

100% big props to whoever made it.

We were complaining we were bored so even if fake, it has spiced the discussion up a lot.

Don't forget the Tel'abim banana crate!

[Woggmer]

It's 100% fake. There's no way they go from Elf -> Dwarf theme. The day WoW has a dwarf theme will be more embarrassing than Dracthyr, and fake. Dwarf is not a Warcraft theme, sorry. Orc, Troll, Undead, Human, Ogre, Elvish, Dragons (sigh), all are. But, but Magni and the Bronzebeards!! Exactly, people really don't like the times dwarves have taken charge of the reins, even briefly. I'm sorry there's just no way. To go from Arthas, Illidan, Thrall, and even Sylv, and Dragons, to overarching dwarf prototagnism? No way. Dwarves are dated and too close to being the straight, white cismen of video games to be a good choice. Dwarves centerfocus =fake expac

We've haven't explored dwarf stuff since Cata in the Twilight Highlands, and even Magni in BFA isn't so much aligned with them anymore that he's become his own entity separate from dwarves despite being one.

Also, please share the time people didn't like the dwarves taking the reins?

And I'll say something controversial.... I'm getting sick of dealing with the Elves BS for 4 expansions straight.

[ercarp]

Even if it's fake, I wanna know what the misty forest zone is supposed to be called. We can figure out the names of all the other zones from the website leak.

1st screenshot: ???
2nd screenshot: Khaz Algar
3rd screenshot: Agg'orand
4th screenshot: The Everward

[PotHockets]

We've haven't explored dwarf stuff since Cata in the Twilight Highlands, and even Magni in BFA isn't so much aligned with them anymore that he's become his own entity separate from dwarves despite being one.

Also, please share the time people didn't like the dwarves taking the reins?

And I'll say something controversial.... I'm getting sick of dealing with the Elves BS for 4 expansions straight.

Also Dwarves are one of the few races that have always been pretty universally loved.

[ercarp]

Don't forget the Tel'abim banana crate!

I still think a Blizzard employee did that one.

[Fahrad Wagner]

There's being skeptical which is good and then being in denial because it doesn't fit what you want it to be.

this isn't denial, I still think avaloren is likelier than WR, but this is not it, it's not the leak (I'll happily eat my hat if I'm wrong)

[Sinstrike]

It's funny to watch some of you grasp at straws in the same exact way people did when Dracthyr leaked. Some of you were micro-analyzing the Dracthyr model and pointing out slight inconsistencies on it every single day until they were announced. The fact of the matter is you could find issues with anything you stare at for long enough, much less a pre-alpha version of the next WoW expansion.

Are the biomes similar to previous expansions? Absolutely. This was also the case for Dragonflight, and will probably be a consistent issue in any expansion that isn't on another planet/alien environment. WoW has been around for twenty years at this point, so it's going to be hard to always offer up an entirely unique art-style in regards to the outdoor environment.

I personally find this to be quite believable. Between the never before seen adult "direhorn" model, the unused bird models from 10.0, the brand new Algren Dwarf, and the zone in the screenshot where it says "new continent" being a bit more unique as far as modern WoW zones + most other things in the screenshots, I see no reason to write this off as fake. It's almost certainly real, and next Friday you can all quote this and reply admitting that you were huffing copium of medical-grade proportions.

With all that being said, I think we should all postpone judgement as to if we love/hate the expansion until we have something more than four screenshots of the trailer.

[PotHockets]

this isn't denial, I still think avaloren is likelier than WR, but this is not it, it's not the leak (I'll happily eat my hat if I'm wrong)

Hey you know what fair enough. I personally think this is it but also I don't think we can ever 100% confirm or deny anything until the actual Blizzcon reveal.

[Fahrad Wagner]

Hey you know what fair enough. I personally think this is it but also I don't think we can ever 100% confirm or deny anything until the actual Blizzcon reveal.

on that I agree, I'm just being sassy

cause you know... it's fake :3

[milkmustache]

on that I agree, I'm just being sassy

cause you know... it's fake :3

One of the ten commandments of #TeamWorldRevamp is the unwavering support for our greatest dreams!!

[ZyntosAran]

It's 100% fake. There's no way they go from Elf -> Dwarf theme. The day WoW has a dwarf theme will be more embarrassing than Dracthyr, and fake. Dwarf is not a Warcraft theme, sorry. Orc, Troll, Undead, Human, Ogre, Elvish, Dragons (sigh), all are. But, but Magni and the Bronzebeards!! Exactly, people really don't like the times dwarves have taken charge of the reins, even briefly. I'm sorry there's just no way. To go from Arthas, Illidan, Thrall, and even Sylv, and Dragons, to overarching dwarf prototagnism? No way. Dwarves are dated and too close to being the straight, white cismen of video games to be a good choice. Dwarves centerfocus =fake expac

"Dwarf is not a warcraft theme"
Right...

[Teriz]

Can't have your cake and eat it too. That's just your opinion.

Perhaps, but I have a sinking suspicion that there won’t be too many players enthused about going to yet another mysterious, primordial continent for the second expansion in a row. Especially a mysterious primordial continent with no major character to hook us to that location. At least with the dragon isles we had Alex, Nozdurmu, Chromie, Kalecgos, and Wrathion.

What do we have here? Odyn? Who cares about Odyn?

[ercarp]

It's funny to watch some of you grasp at straws in the same exact way people did when Dracthyr leaked. Some of you were micro-analyzing the Dracthyr model and pointing out slight inconsistencies on it every single day until they were announced. The fact of the matter is you could find issues with anything you stare at for long enough, much less a pre-alpha version of the next WoW expansion.

Are the biomes similar to previous expansions? Absolutely. This was also the case for Dragonflight, and will probably be a consistent issue in any expansion that isn't on another planet/alien environment. WoW has been around for twenty years at this point, so it's going to be hard to always offer up an entirely unique art-style in regards to the outdoor environment.

I personally find this to be quite believable. Between the never before seen adult "direhorn" model, the unused bird models from 10.0, the brand new Algren Dwarf, and the zone in the screenshot where it says "new continent" being a bit more unique as far as modern WoW zones + most other things in the screenshots, I see no reason to write this off as fake. It's almost certainly real, and next Friday you can all quote this and reply admitting that you were huffing copium of medical-grade proportions.

With all that being said, I think we should all postpone judgement as to if we love/hate the expansion until we have something more than four screenshots of the trailer.

Well said.

I currently believe this is the real deal as well. And although people here bring up good arguments against it, it does come eerily close to those Dracthyr debunk attempts.

Remember when we were comparing dinosaur textures from MoP and BfA to the Dracthyr skin textures to prove that they were edits? Yeah...

[Picle]

Okay, but again you seriously believe that Blizzard has NO concept art from 11.0 that can be used instead of concept art from the previous expansion? They have a huge art team that works on new expansions years in advance.

A kid in their basement putting out a fake leak wouldn’t have that concept art, but Blizzard would.

it's odd, i'll give you that ^_^

i can think of a few scenarios that would lead to an outdated image like that. most common for me is that i fork an existing page or website to start a new project, and the background image is inconsequential to the bulk of development work. so it ends up being last-ish

we agree tho, i'm not sold on it being real. it is fishy !

[Azalar]

Patch zone at most.

Every K'aresh denial is a dagger pressed against my cosmic heart

[Picle]

If i worked at any dev position i would troll a lot kkkk, imagine how fun it could be to see people freaking out with well done fake leaks

it would take an alarmingly little amount of work, at least from a web dev standpoint hehe

[Sentynel]

Okay, so now that WoWhead has reported on the "new continent" leak, I'm ready to say it was fake. WoWhead wouldn't spotlight a real leak.

Are you sure?

This was Shadowlands
https://www.wowhead.com/news/bolvar-...pansion-295873

And this was Dragonflight
https://www.wowhead.com/news/dragonf...ulation-326710

[allegrian]

It's 100% fake. There's no way they go from Elf -> Dwarf theme. The day WoW has a dwarf theme will be more embarrassing than Dracthyr, and fake. Dwarf is not a Warcraft theme, sorry. Orc, Troll, Undead, Human, Ogre, Elvish, Dragons (sigh), all are. But, but Magni and the Bronzebeards!! Exactly, people really don't like the times dwarves have taken charge of the reins, even briefly. I'm sorry there's just no way. To go from Arthas, Illidan, Thrall, and even Sylv, and Dragons, to overarching dwarf prototagnism? No way. Dwarves are dated and too close to being the straight, white cismen of video games to be a good choice. Dwarves centerfocus =fake expac

Dwarves are one of the main themes in vanilla, one of the most loved "expansions", with ironforge and dark iron dwarves in Black Rock Depths, one of the most loved dungeons in the game. They are also featured in Ulduar, one of the most loved raids. They have been criminally underrepresented since Ulduar, while we got orcs, orcs and more orcs and then Night Elves everywhere. Human and Gnomes where underrepresented until BFA, now only the dwarves remain in need for some love.