Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Sondrelk]

Yeah, this is way too much coincidence...

I am pretty sure someone said the same guy leaked both.

So either it's true, or the guy made some good looking fakes.

[Cheezits]

The Agg'oran tall dwarf is shown in the background of one of the four screenshots.
Either both are linked, or it's a wild coincidence that a leaker somehow got a new race bang on correct based on absolutely nothing.

Or the same leaker made both. Which I think is VERY possible considering the Aggoran leaker clearly has some talent in modeling.... but not creating completely new models.

The fact that there are little to no real new models in the Avaloren pictures, just reskins or retextures (I think the Dwarf model is not actually new after all) could mean its all private server type stuff. Made by a talented artist playing around with existing wow models.

[matijwow]

True, but I don’t believe that Odyn can invite interest in an expansion. Especially an expansion that looks just like Dragonflight and contains a neutral race no one’s ever heard of before.

It's really weird that Dragon Isles had another aqir-like race (Scythid) and did nothing with them.

[Dismayxz]

When there’s nothing to indicate that it will based off all recent history. Great logic that, though.

Nothing indicated this happening on any announcements before MoP either. Mistakes can happen, anytime. Or they can simply choose not to give a fuck, at any time. Least I can accept the small off chance, while you're here fingers in your ears going "lalalala".

[Chickat]

But will you get Elf fatigue with some elf questlines happening? Just like in Dragonflight, the expansion isn't about elves, but they do show up occasionally. It is about Dwarves, but if Goblins show up and Vuplera, but then we have a section for elves.. would you feel elf fatigue then? They are the most played race in the game, I don't think it wold be terrible if they had something.

No but DF has quite a lot of elf adjacent content.

I just want other races to have some focus. Like dwarves or yes even goblins.

[Pinksocking]

any new news

[Izalla]

The leak and the website has already been thoroughly debunked.

Arrogant claims like these are how one ends up quoted in people's signatures after Blizzcon.

[matijwow]

Arrogant claims like these are how one ends up quoted in people's signatures after Blizzcon.

I declare it has been 100% proven that World of Warcraft will never have another expansion again!

(How long til I'm famous?)

[NoTimeToDie5426]

Arrogant claims like these are how one ends up quoted in people's signatures after Blizzcon.

Exactly lol. Debunked? By WHOM might this be thoroughly debunked?

[Santandame]

Nothing indicated this happening on any announcements before MoP either. Mistakes can happen, anytime. Or they can simply choose not to give a fuck, at any time. Least I can accept the small off chance, while you're here fingers in your ears going "lalalala".

There’s no fingers in ears or any lalala. Your argument just loses all credibility when you try to compare an alleged feature video from 2023 to one from 2012.

[Nebron]

Yeah, this is way too much coincidence...

Well, both leaks, or even all three with the Storms of Avaloren included, could have been prepared by the same person / group of people then, it would be the peak of fake leaks, assuming its fake of course!

[Izalla]

Can you imagine someone picking the weakest possible images to leak, on purpose, so they can laugh at people going to war over them being fake and make fools of themselves when they are wrong?

Anyway I'm still leaning towards high effort and impressive fake, but I ain't about to die on that hill.

[Catastrophy349]

So, zones aside, what kind of features, dungeon/raid loadouts, etc., would everyone like to see (assuming Avaloren/this "leak") is it?

[Dismayxz]

There’s no fingers in ears or any lalala. Your argument just loses all credibility when you try to compare an alleged feature video from 2023 to one from 2012.

That would be correct, if the precedent or system of these videos had ever changed, which it did not in all of that time. You are trying real hard to make the 11 year gap count for something on the credibility scale, when in fact, it does not, still the same production layout.

[Izalla]

I declare it has been 100% proven that World of Warcraft will never have another expansion again!

(How long til I'm famous?)

You gotta make a claim people actually believe you mean, and it has to rile people up enough for them to want to dunk on you. Post that incessantly for the next week while shooting down everyone else's ideas as being impossible or at the least extremely unlikely because you know what you're talking about, and then you'll have enough enemies. A week may be too short of a time period though so if that fails, make sure to keep going right up until the 12.0 announcement so people remember you and gleefully cheer your downfall.

[Sondrelk]

So, zones aside, what kind of features, dungeon/raid loadouts, etc., would everyone like to see (assuming Avaloren/this "leak") is it?

The leak doesn't exactly give us anything to go on though.
I guess a Harpy themed dungeon up in their hideaways?

I enjoyed Brackenhide, though that could have been more down to Gnolls in DF hitting that sweet spot between silly and intimidating, more so than the dungeon being objectively good.

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It's really weird that Dragon Isles had another aqir-like race (Scythid) and did nothing with them.

It really was. I remember speculation they were harbingers of the Old Gods, and that they were the unknown threat that made Neltharion seal the Dracthyr away to fight them at a later date.

[Teriz]

Not alone no. But with xalatath,Iridikron and Azshara maybe.

Azshara is kind of busted because she’s already been used and defeated. What’s the hook in that? We’re going to Avaloren to beat Azshara again? Why?

Iridikron is too new. We know next to nothing about Xal.

If you’re pushing out a new landmass, you need a strong character to carry it. If you have a known landmass, your character doesn’t have to be as strong, but they still should be known. For example, Sylvanas, arguably the most popular character in WoW carrying the Shadowlands (along with Anduin and Tyrande). Meanwhile you had Sylvanas and an ensemble (Saurfang, Jaina, Anduin, and Azshara) carrying BFA.

In Dragonflight we had Alex, Wrathion, Kalecgos, Nozdormu, and Ebyssian carrying the expansion.

Compare that crop to the crop you mentioned, and you see the problem.

[Sondrelk]

Can you imagine someone picking the weakest possible images to leak, on purpose, so they can laugh at people going to war over them being fake and make fools of themselves when they are wrong?

Anyway I'm still leaning towards high effort and impressive fake, but I ain't about to die on that hill.

Possibly. Though if I were in that position I would instead try to be misleading by focusing on stuff that isn't necessarily important, so that when the real expansion was announced you get to see everyone get thrown despite everything they saw being correct.

To pick an example from Shadowlands, I would have tried to only pick the bits that made it seem like we were staying in Azeroth.

[Catastrophy349]

Azshara is kind of busted because she’s already been used and defeated. What’s the hook in that? We’re going to Avaloren to beat Azshara again? Why?

Iridikron is too new. We know next to nothing about Xal.

If you’re pushing out a new landmass, you need a strong character to carry it. If you have a known landmass, your character doesn’t have to be as strong, but they still should be known. For example, Sylvanas, arguably the most popular character in WoW carrying the Shadowlands (along with Anduin and Tyrande). Meanwhile you had Sylvanas and an ensemble (Saurfang, Jaina, Anduin, and Azshara) carrying BFA.

In Dragonflight we had Alex, Wrathion, Kalecgos, Nozdormu, and Ebyssian carrying the expansion.

Compare that crop to the crop you mentioned, and you see the problem.

I'll entertain your "underground expansion" idea, if you take a second to entertain the "possibility" of this "leak" being real. If "real," what would be your guess for us going to Avaloren?

[bruxx]

So, zones aside, what kind of features, dungeon/raid loadouts, etc., would everyone like to see (assuming Avaloren/this "leak") is it?

I'll be highly offended if the place is called AVALOren and there are no big medieval stone castles and Arthurian references galore. Morgane le fey warcraft version is a must