Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Joszef Kiprich]

I can't tell if sarcasm or not, so if it's sarcasm I apologize! <3

It's crazy to me how certain many people are that these four still images and the end all be all. It doesn't confirm there's only 4 zones at all, just that only four images got leaked, maybe that's all the info they got secondhand?

It certainly doesn't mean the zones are boring or bland. If the zones are even close to DF size, they might not even show a quarter of what they will look like! Who knows how many sub-biomes are in each zone.

It's very possible that the leaker doesn't even have full access to the full preview video so he couldn't have chose better shots or stills if he wanted to. We have no idea how these came to be.

For the sake of optimism I'm still going to believe their real though. From the fraction of zones we see, they look like they could be a lot of fun to explore and that's without knowing an OUNCE of plot or story yet

Oh, I was being sarcastic. Could even be 4 screenshots from the same zone, for all we know.
I'm not completely dismissing them as fakes, because we all have learned from the Dracthyr disappointment, but I am leaning towards the "I think it's fake"-camp.

And holy sh@#$, some people are responding extremely emotional to those screenshots. Keep your calm everyone, Blizzcon is only a few days away.

[JMitchy96]

So this individual makes their own fake leaks and then goes to dissects others? Even more reason not to trust someone lol. I will never understand why people follow the stupid. I guess stupid attracts stupid.

What makes it stupid? The whole reason she started doing fake leaks in the first place was to prove how easy they are to fake and try and get people to be a bit more skeptical and/or discerning about leaks

[Northelim]

Or they were a bit angry their 'leak' didn't get as much traction as this 'leak' and piggy-backed off of it.
didn't see wowhead covering quel'thalas now did we?

God, please no Quel'thelas, I can't stand elves and quite sick of them. They been getting way too much attention the last 3 expansions and it's annoying.

Also, after they butchered Sylvanas the Elves got less and less interesting.

[Ferlion]

Which artwork ? Someone link.

I should have said leak. Not artwork. It's the same one everyone has been talking about.



But yeah, I logged back in to double check. I know it's not the exact same place, and whatever, but I also went and checked flying around with dragonriding. Even my shadows way up in the air are stronger than those images, even at night time.

Only picture I took was this one.



I guess it's more than possible that if it's a video and such, they used different lighting settings. I've been up since 4am yesterday morning at this point, so I'm amost certainly imagining things.

[matijwow]

God, please no Quel'thelas, I can't stand elves and quite sick of them. They been getting way too much attention the last 3 expansions and it's annoying.

Also, after they butchered Sylvanas the Elves got less and less interesting.

The Banan'dorei will attempt to expand their empire from Tel'Abim to all of Kalimdor in the revamp.

[Woggmer]

God, please no Quel'thelas, I can't stand elves and quite sick of them. They been getting way too much attention the last 3 expansions and it's annoying.

Also, after they butchered Sylvanas the Elves got less and less interesting.

Well, if we're really pulling hairs and getting down to technicalities. It's mainly been the Night Elves who've been getting their lore butchered time and time again for the past 4 expansions
Blood Elves... not so much (or at least not to the same extent as Night Elves). If anything the Blood Elves have sort of been thriving lately and the inclusion of the Nightborne gives him a race that they can share similar interests with. Lor'themar and Thalyssra's wedding just adds to this and it makes the union between both sides somewhat wholesome.
(The only time that Blood Elves had their lore bashed was the whole debacle about them having High Elves rejoining their society again due to that one recent lore interview.)

So I don't really mind more exploration into Quel'thalas if it means having it be connected to the Eastern Kingdoms server (and also to get flying in Eversong and Ghostlands)

[flan1337]

I should have said leak. Not artwork. It's the same one everyone has been talking about.

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But yeah, I logged back in to double check. I know it's not the exact same place, and whatever, but I also went and checked flying around with dragonriding. Even my shadows way up in the air are stronger than those images, even at night time.

Only picture I took was this one.

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I guess it's more than possible that if it's a video and such, they used different lighting settings. I've been up since 4am yesterday morning at this point, so I'm amost certainly imagining things.

Something feels like the dwarf and dino was Photoshoped into the environment.

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you know what is interesting also - the post by the leaker is almost uncertain if this is 11.0 as it is title with a " ? "

[Northelim]

I should have said leak. Not artwork. It's the same one everyone has been talking about.



But yeah, I logged back in to double check. I know it's not the exact same place, and whatever, but I also went and checked flying around with dragonriding. Even my shadows way up in the air are stronger than those images, even at night time.

Only picture I took was this one.



I guess it's more than possible that if it's a video and such, they used different lighting settings. I've been up since 4am yesterday morning at this point, so I'm amost certainly imagining things.

No offense but are we seriously trying to figure out whats happening with the shadows in a completely different environment and radically different angles? I am not sure what you are trying to achieve here. That the shadows in the leak are fake? It's taken from a video thats in motion and is at lower res, you won't be able to tell what's truly going on with the shadows.

[Ferlion]

No offense but are we seriously trying to figure out whats happening with the shadows in a completely different environment and radically different angles? I am not sure what you are trying to achieve here. That the shadows in the leak are fake? It's taken from a video thats in motion and is at lower res, you won't be able to tell what's truly going on with the shadows.

Ehh.

Dragonflights reveal trailer was pretty strong on shadows. If it's a general feature trailer, that uses the in-game engine, I should get a fairly decent shadow.

But you are correct to say that's a lot of ifs.

[Pinksocking]

what about the stormwind leak with the ghost ships

wasnt that fake

was wild

[Northelim]

Ehh.

Dragonflights reveal trailer was pretty strong on shadows. If it's a general feature trailer, that uses the in-game engine, I should get a fairly decent shadow.

But you are correct to say that's a lot of ifs.

It also depends on what quality the game was running on when they captured the footage. Their shadow setting might be different than yours. Also, don't forget that RTX shadows exist in WoW in the options menu that can be toggled on/off. That's another factor too.

[matijwow]

Ehh.

Dragonflights reveal trailer was pretty strong on shadows. If it's a general feature trailer, that uses the in-game engine, I should get a fairly decent shadow.

But you are correct to say that's a lot of ifs.

What if the shadows are faint because a void monster in Avaloren is sucking up all the shadows to get stronger? And there's a ton of quests about helping people fall asleep because the void monster eats all the darkness so they can't find a place dark enough to fall asleep in? And the dwarves have to ride the storm because into this life we're born, into this world we're thrown like a dog without a bone?

[ercarp]

So nothing new has leaked in the past 3-4 hours?

[Sebashtian]

I call shenanigans

[Polybius]

What if the shadows are faint because a void monster in Avaloren is sucking up all the shadows to get stronger? And there's a ton of quests about helping people fall asleep because the void monster eats all the darkness so they can't find a place dark enough to fall asleep in? And the dwarves have to ride the storm because into this life we're born, into this world we're thrown like a dog without a bone?

Lmao. I half expect the Void to break the fourth wall in the future, as they did in the Dungeon Journal. What better way to show their power than to break reality?

[Dnusha]

So nothing new has leaked in the past 3-4 hours?

afaik twitter dataminer was unable find some of the assets from a picture and thats it.

[Ferlion]

It also depends on what quality the game was running on when they captured the footage. Their shadow setting might be different than yours. Also, don't forget that RTX shadows exist in WoW in the options menu that can be toggled on/off. That's another factor too.

I mean, if these are supposed to be promotional images from a video, building up to the setup of blizzcon and the like, I'd assume their settings are on Ultra High and everything maxed.

It's a promotional video. "New Continent" type deal. NPC's staged to look a certain way. "The settings were lower when they captured the footage" isn't really an option for the type of trailer this would be.

[ercarp]

Yeah, Zel has made quite a few fakes over the years including the corkboard one (after calling it a bad leak when it came out... suspicious... surely she's not doing the same "make leak and talk shit about it" ruse twice... right?). Hmmmm!

This is highly suspicious.

[Ferlion]

What if the shadows are faint because a void monster in Avaloren is sucking up all the shadows to get stronger? And there's a ton of quests about helping people fall asleep because the void monster eats all the darkness so they can't find a place dark enough to fall asleep in? And the dwarves have to ride the storm because into this life we're born, into this world we're thrown like a dog without a bone?

lol. Technically a possibility, but one I find as unlikely as a promotional video being captured on low settings.

[Northelim]

I mean, if these are supposed to be promotional images from a video, building up to the setup of blizzcon and the like, I'd assume their settings are on Ultra High and everything maxed.

It's a promotional video. "New Continent" type deal. NPC's staged to look a certain way. "The settings were lower when they captured the footage" isn't really an option for the type of trailer this would be.

You are correct. But that's what I am saying though, their settings are most likely cranked out to the max with the best possible GPU on the market. (Even though WoW doesn't really need it) but yours might not have RTX enabled. I am basically saying you'd have to have everything maxed out as well if you really want to make a fair comparison.

We also have no what are the new additional engine improvements. Every expansion they always improve the engine in one way or another. So the game/leak is obviously running on an updated client and ours is not. (Assuming it's real)

DF for example had massive improvement in draw and view distance, it was one of the highlights of the zones and overall asthetic and the dragon riding complemented the big zones because of such draw distances.
My point is that it's near impossible to be able to make 1 to 1 comparison with such things and as I said it doesn't help the pictures are in much lower res.