Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[flan1337]

Its a full game that launches during that day, of course they gonna showcase it.

Yeah which is why it makes sense - in my head it's a non-serious mobile game ,but they will probably try to turn into some esport of something.

[Baraden]

Ion is wows game director.

Metzens position encompasses the entire Warcraft franchise.
Literally sitting in the executive chair.

Metzen has never been a gameplay/systems guy though; that's not going to change now

[Hitei]

How can you list 4 characters with completely different backgrounds and motivations and label them all as generic, that literally doesn't even make sense

That's not what I said. I said they were all all turned into generic supervillains.

[Baraden]

That's not what I said. I said they were all all turned into generic supervillains.

You may wish to look up what generic means; how can they all be different but still be generic

Is anyone who's a villain in WoW generic by your defintion? How would they make someone a villain without becoming generic?

[PotHockets]

What happens if it is?

I'm personally gonna love it as much as any other theme. Besides all of their best expansions are forgotten islands where we get to discover new cultures and old shit we never knew about; lookin at you MoP, Legion and DF

[Baraden]

Ironically though, that is not even Pandaria.

Do we know what world the wandering isle actually exists in? Like is it hidden on the pandaria map somewhere the same way eversong woods/azuremyst are really hidden on the outlands map

[Ferlion]

I'm personally gonna love it as much as any other theme. Besides all of their best expansions are forgotten islands where we get to discover new cultures and old shit we never knew about; lookin at you MoP, Legion and DF

I agree that Blizzards best work is stuff that's out of nowhere... That's really kinda why I was hoping Shadowlands would be great.

[Ambulatory Cube]

And btw that triceratops is a hue adjusted primordial direhorn with some leaves photoshopped on.

It may have used a primordial skin as a base but there is definitely new work done to it.

[Baraden]

Gryphon Rider/Wyvern Rider class with you customising both rider and beast akin to worgen/dracthyr character creation

Uses thrown weapons, ranged or melee

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It may have used a primordial skin as a base but there is definitely new work done to it.

It's just an edited texture, easily faked for those with the skill set; the model is identical, even the low poly feet make it obvious

[Fentawow]

We got out talent rework, main proffesion rework, rep rework, flying and mount system reworks, a lot of customization changes and alterations to transmog as a system.

I think we can expect a completely new version of fishing, archaeology and maybe cooking to round out the profession changes. I also wouldn't be surprised if PvP goes through a big rework. It's the one thing they've struggled to stabilize or innovate in recent years and it's popularity is in a bad place. It represents the last big existing evergreen gameplay that's dragging.

I kind of expect some new iteration of Torghast as well. Zskera seemed to be an evolution of the randomized instance construction on a much larger scale, 28 specific(?) rooms in a randomized configuration (Twisting Corridors was effectively 18 disconnected rooms). People keep thinking of Zaralek tech as something that makes underground zones, but it could just as easily be used in a hallway you walk down to load and unload entire new sections of dungeon without loading screens, like a Torghast without the portals between floors, where instead you walk up a staircase and by the time you reach the top the floor in front of you loads.

I think there are other major things they could introduce on the system level that aren't actual gameplay systems too. Like seasonal zones that asset swap several times a year.

I believe at DF announcement Holinka said they brought on a bunch of devs for PVP no?

I agree with your list for PVP, some tertiary professions, didnt think of randomized zones but could definitely see something like that.

We will likely get 2-4 more support specs I believe as they cannot leave it at just one who is a must have for PvE. They will also need to create one or two more rows for talents due to level cap increase.

But yeah I certainly even if it is Avaloren would hope for some form of larger dev time expenditure that provides meaningful or interesting content or alternatively better interactions with similar types of content.

I would love to see some form of

[Floot]

It may have used a primordial skin as a base but there is definitely new work done to it.

Someone go through the length to create a remade HD-version of an old skin seems a bit much effort to create a fake leak...

[Kiivar86]

Going to laugh when nitpicking over supposed photoshop errors on that thing prove to wrong and that's real.

Reminds me of the grainy shots of the Dragonflight cinematic and thinking how the stone watcher guy didn't look right. Hell, I took zoomed-in shots and compared it to other things to try and prove it was not right.

And yet, here we are.

Time is a flat circle.

[ro9ue]

Someone go through the length to create a remade HD-version of an old skin seems a bit much effort to create a fake leak...

All you have to do is make a few brush strokes onto a 2D texture map...

[Hitei]

You may wish to look up what generic means; how can they all be different but still be generic?

Because all of their original characterization and motivations were thrown in the trash and they became four different iterations of "I'm gonna conquer this land, heh heh heh!"

Is anyone who's a villain in WoW generic by your defintion? How would they make someone a villain without becoming generic?

Well for one thing, having any sort of complex motivation other than "I'm gonna rule da world!"

[Deadmines]

Meant to tell you yesterday but the thread moved too fast. I hate your Sig. Thanks for making it.

Thanks! You made me snort-laugh.

[Well Done Steak]

Just because they don't need to go underground doesn't mean that they're not going to.



I didn't say they would. I said that your story beats sound like part of a patch, not an expansion. It's pretty much the exact same story we've been rolling with since the 10.1.



Well we're not done because according to you we have more dragons, titan keepers, Night Elves, and mysterious landmass hijinks in 11.0.

Just like we have right now.

They might go underground for sure, but I don't think it's safe to claim that all of 11.0 will be underground.

I mean honestly it could be both, Avaloren with another underground zone or raid. Uldaz is probably it, being the Antorus of Azeroth more likely.

11.0 is going to deepdive into titanic, void, elune stuff. DF wasn't a deepdive into any of that. DF was about the restoration of the flights primarily while learning that the Titans ain't all they cracked out to be secondarily.

As per data mining we're killing fyrakk and using the tree to regain their powers.

We're then restoring Tyr a week later. Then 2.5 will probably bridge DF with 11.0 with Tyr as our new "magni / khadgar / Bolvar / Alex.

[Catastrophy349]

I wish we would stop arguing over whether or not it's real, and better yet, why one person's idea is superior to another's. Everyone's ideas are great! Personally, if Avaloren is set up properly from 10.2+ to 11.0, it can work out really well.

[CrossNgen]

This is what bugs me most. They're hyping too much for it to be uhhhhhhh Avaloren. As if they didn't know there'd be a backlash lol

I think you may be conflating the general reception here in the last few pages to the wider WoW audience.

[vintage79]

little offtipic but i just got a mount ^

[Woggmer]

This is what bugs me most. They're hyping too much for it to be uhhhhhhh Avaloren. As if they didn't know there'd be a backlash lol

Unless it's something else that isn't related to Avaloren.