Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Makorus]

You could, though you would have to really try to find the ones that show nothing interesting, which is the point we are trying to make here.
If you just pick four random points in the Legion announcement trailer you are basically guaranteed to get at least one with interesting architecture or some kind of new type of zone terrain.

Dunno, saying these shots are any more interesting than the Avaloren screenshots is kinda reaching.

[locketto]

The first thing was the website leak.

The next thing were this guy posting.

Then came the images like a solid few days after.

Notice how the text leak references "Art looked like jungle, desert, snowy peaks and rocky peaks.", and surprise surprise, that's the four zones from the images.

very SUS indeed but they can both share the same source

what if Blizz created a real fake leak to deceive people?


The work needed for creating the screenshots is way too long to do with photoshop. looks like a sandbox server work.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

I predict 11.0 logo would be purple and gold.

Something like this?

[Santandame]

I'm pretty sure the text came before the "website leak", maybe after it but really shortly after. The pics leaked and then the original poster(?) of the text reposted it here and answered some questions.

Honestly I'm on the fake team at 60/40. I dare say the pics look nice and barred the lack of arthurian themes (Avaloren<>Avalon) are exactly what I was expecting from Avaloren. Still the timing of the "website leak" is a little sus, couple weeks ago is a little too early imo.
Anyway we are going to Avaloren one way or the other, if it's not 11.0 will be 12 or 13.

That’s my thing though. If it’s Arthurian themed, how does a jungle and desert fit in? It’s just so theme park if they go that route.

If it’s a true Arthurian inspired landmass then what we should really get should be:

- Camelot zone with meadows, rolling hills, plains, enchanted woods, mushroom forests, lakes, fairy glades.
- A dark foreboding swamp
- Some sort of mountainous region

I just don’t get how a jungle and desert fit with the Arthurian theme of which pretty much all of us assumed would come with a land called Avaloren.

[blaatschaap]

it's trivial to use vpn to create more than one account on a website, chances are those (I think fake) leaks are from the same person

[Makorus]

very SUS indeed but they can both share the same source

what if blizz created a reak fake leak for deceive people?

Sure, but the text leak has shit like "One of the Shaman specs will be turned into Support", which Blizzard has said is not gonna happen, and they will not attempt to do that after what happened with Survival.

[Santandame]

Dunno, saying these shots are any more interesting than the Avaloren screenshots is kinda reaching.

The bottom two already are showing more unique architecture and assets.

[locketto]

Sure, but the text leak has shit like "One of the Shaman specs will be turned into Support", which Blizzard has said is not gonna happen, and they will not attempt to do that after what happened with Survival.

well I don't trust blizzard ever, we got a lot of example when they lied, like legion legendary cap, horde will never fight with alliance, never wow classic etc

[Alanar]

Certainly hoping they're not real. They're immensely boring, and the idea of dwarf, but neutral, but also made of rocks just seems stupid to me. Like, who asked for that? We literally have Dark Iron already, and just got a neutral race that was butchered.

I just want something to be excited about that exists already. We have so many races and locales we can be using that aren't... that.

Ye I said the same thing couple pages ago, but I am glad more people think the same thing. There are so many excisting races to be excited about that people are familiar with and have been requested for a long time. Its so stupid to me, its also such an easy way to generate hype.

Those stones dwarves seem incredibly boring to me as well. It would be the same as dracthyr for me. Completely new, that I have no connection with. I just dont care. In a game like this, that excists for long time now, have had so many races being added to the game playable, but in particular non playable. That have grown on people, examples like Arrakoa, Orgre, Vrykul etc. That feeling of hoping your all time favorite race would finally be playable is worth so much more. That is my opinion.

[Makorus]

The bottom two already are showing more unique architecture and assets.

Sure, but those images definitely don't make Legion seem exciting or innovative.

[KyleEverett]

The first thing was the website leak.

The next thing were this guy posting.

Then came the images like a solid few days after.

Notice how the text leak references "Art looked like jungle, desert, snowy peaks and rocky peaks.", and surprise surprise, that's the four zones from the images.

Okay, I missed the Algarstorms guy. I had some personal things going on on the 18th that kept me offline and this thread has been moving 50+ pages a day lately it feels.

So add that to the most recent SoA leak that also includes the Moth-like Green Dragons.

I'll note the website leak guy still only has 1 post and hasn't been banned. I suppose they could be using multiple IPs to evade detection from the mods.

[NikolaiShade]

That’s my thing though. If it’s Arthurian themed, how does a jungle and desert fit in? It’s just so theme park if they go that route.

If it’s a true Arthurian inspired landmass then what we should really get should be:

- Camelot zone with meadows, rolling hills, plains, enchanted woods, mushroom forests, lakes, fairy glades.
- A dark foreboding swamp
- Some sort of mountainous region

I just don’t get how a jungle and desert fit with the Arthurian theme of which pretty much all of us assumed would come with a land called Avaloren.

I remain of my idea that whatever races we will ever find in avaloren will be titan-forged (is this the right term, I'll have to check) influenced by life. pretty much the direhorn, maybe more wooden. If the Algarian Earthens are wooden they could be the coolest dwarves after the wildhammers for me.

edit: was mostly right, it's titan-forged with an "-"

[Sondrelk]

Dunno, saying these shots are any more interesting than the Avaloren screenshots is kinda reaching.

Possibly, though in this case you would also have to consider what zones we would have had before Legion was announced.
First image could probably be faked, but the second has new assets in a new kind of environment that I don't think we had before that expansion. Third image have the weird moose turen that probably could be faked, but also the hut behind in an environment that also didn't really exist before that.
Fourth image is also something new and unique. Really vibrant greens and Nelf architecture like this is something that probably only existed in Ashenvale, which uses old Vanilla assets, and would therefore take a lot of effort to make it look this good.

Three out of four show something entirely new at the time Legion came out. Often several things in the same picture. And all things that take significantly more effort to create than just basic landscape or static model editing.

[Santandame]

Okay, I missed the Algarstorms guy. I had some personal things going on on the 18th that kept me offline and this thread has been moving 50+ pages a day lately it feels.

So add that to the most recent SoA leak that also includes the Moth-like Green Dragons.

I'll note the website leak guy still only has 1 post and hasn't been banned. I suppose they could be using multiple IPs to evade detection from the mods.

I honestly think it’s either a collaborative effort or others piggybacking off other ideas like we had with people acting like they were in cahoots with Scaleface last leak season.

I think it’s pretty telling that all of those leaks featuring storms, dwarf variants, green dragon variants etc have all popped up after the pre-order mount was datamined and the in-game lore books informed us of the the land west surrounded by storms and the green dragon flying there with the theory they started a new brood.

This is basic shit. I’m surprised people are so conflicted on the validity of these leaks.

[KyleEverett]

I'm not thinking Avaloren is in any way inspired by Celtic mythology. It doesn't exactly fit in with their current Norse inspiration for Keepers, nor do Dwarves feel very Celtic.

I'd be a cool parallel for the name, but I think the writers just picked it because Avalon is sometimes called an Island in the mists and is mysterious.

[Joszef Kiprich]

Legion screenshots:

[Fahrad Wagner]

I honestly think it’s either a collaborative effort or others piggybacking off other ideas like we had with people acting like they were in cahoots with Scaleface last leak season.

I think it’s pretty telling that all of those leaks featuring storms, dwarf variants, green dragon variants etc have all popped up after the pre-order mount was datamined and the in-game lore books informed us of the the land west surrounded by storms and the green dragon flying there with the theory they started a new brood.

This is basic shit. I’m surprised people are so conflicted on the validity of these leaks.

This precisely. I'm not even sure we're facing one leakers, more like two or three doing their thing but walking in the same direction

[Santandame]

Legion screenshots:

So, Stormwind, Karazhan, the dark portal. Well known landmarks we know exist. Your point is?

[NikolaiShade]

I'm not thinking Avaloren is in any way inspired by Celtic mythology. It doesn't exactly fit in with their current Norse inspiration for Keepers, nor do Dwarves feel very Celtic.

I'd be a cool parallel for the name, but I think the writers just picked it because Avalon is sometimes called an Island in the mists and is mysterious.

I never meant celtic, just arthurian, as in a king in a castle with a round table and knights, we could say a more hollywood take on the matter. Anyway remember Ra had anubisaths at his command, so they took inspiration from egyptian mytholgy too

[Fahrad Wagner]

So, Stormwind, Karazhan, the dark portal. Well known landmarks we know exist. Your point is?

I think his point his we can't deduce anything from 4 screenshots + screenshots can be very underwhelming but still be real.
Although if I may- these are screenshots from the trailer, correct? The SoA alleged leak screenshots are more like press material/website-related, so we're comparing apples and oranges here