Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Rathwell]

I'm going to choose to believe the screenshots because if they turn out to be real, then I win because I picked the right leak.

If I'm wrong, then we get literally any other expansion, which would be my personal preference, so I still win.

[Raetary]

It would be greatly appreciated if someone could post a new leak so this thread can get back on track and not circlejerk around whether or not wow is in maintenance mode.

[Eeram]

"Didn't play the game"

Ive completed all levels of content this patch. You're deluded if you think that you're in the right here. Blatant fanboyism.

Elite in PvP
Ksm/KS Hero in M+
Mythic Raider of current tier

What else is needed to have a valid critique on the game in your eyes?

Are you really so easily impressed with a bullshit crafting revamp that added unneeded rankings like a mobile game and turned formerly boe items into bop items with rejected azerite traits yet think this is somehow a good design? There are people who really like this shit? Seriously?

Can you link your armory I want to see

[Sondrelk]

Damn, that would have been a fun mog to get

Would have been less fun if it never dropped, then disappeared when the season ended.

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I'm going to choose to believe the screenshots because if they turn out to be real, then I win because I picked the right leak.

If I'm wrong, then we get literally any other expansion, which would be my personal preference, so I still win.

Who are you? So wise in the ways of the leak thread?

[Wangming]

I would say combat. There are MMO's that do almost every other part of the gameplay better than WoW - questing, storytelling, character creation, etc. But the feel of WoW's combat has remained my favorite. Not sure if it is a common opinion. But I certainly think my opinion travel *isn't* my favorite part, that can't be an uncommon sentiment. If anything could change that, though, it would be dynamic flying, because dynamic flying does feel great. (Personally, I think it feels better than the GW2 mount physics that inspired it)

I do think a lot of people love the combat. But mostly just in dungeons and raids. Overworld combat just feel like a time sink sometimes, you know.
You are rarely in such a big danger that you can't just go and take a piss. But they do kick you off your mount if you are trying to go from point A to point B and you are not flying. It can get annoying. For me, anyway.

Not sure what I would say my favorite part is.

I will say that I enjoyed the pre-Cataclysm world the most. All the locked doors leading to places I shouldn't be in (Grim Batol, Karazhan catacombs, Old Ironforge, Gilneas) and all the tricky shit done to somehow circumvent it. Back when the world was not as lived in, but the mysteries were cool mysteries and you could pretend to have uncovered them yourself.

But that is gone now. What is left is: Amy I enjoying the vibe of this zone/class/race? or am I not.

[Moth Preacher]

Honestly, some people really underestimate the value of updating the systems.

Updating the Trees to a modern day standards is half the thing: the more important half is having easy scalable system to build upon in future.
All those minor and not updates and interfaces are very valuable to a long-term health of the game.

It wouldn't be good to have two expansions like this in a row, but I respect DF for modernizing the systems

[Nymrohd]

Overworld combat just feel like a time sink sometimes, you know.

Yeah the situation with overworld combat in WoW is kind of messy. Absent borrowed power systems, the scaling is not so sharp that we can completely dominate things. In order to have mobs last long enough that they can survive patch release when they are being stormed by full raids, they have significantly increased base health, meaning that if you try them later down the line, good luck. And at the same time it's not like they've allowed overworld mobs to have challenging mechanics since forever (I think the last time that happened was MoP).

[Marlamin]

It would be greatly appreciated if someone could post a new leak so this thread can get back on track and not circlejerk around whether or not wow is in maintenance mode.

As someone who has reverse engineered most if not all of the systems in WoW for work/hobby reasons, WoW is not currently in maintenance mode and I don't expect it to go in maintenance mode during 11.0 either based on ongoing work on client guts that have been happening for the last 2 expansions and are still in the works. Anyone claiming otherwise is being disingenuous, either to push an agenda or to troll.

Also, I'm not sure a genuine leak would even be picked up on anymore at this point if it hit this thread right in the face, it's moving too fast and arguably interesting information gets drowned out pretty much instantly. We'll probably just have to rough it out until BlizzCon unless some Blizzard-sourced/extremely good visual leaks come out that catch enough attention.

[ercarp]

It would be greatly appreciated if someone could post a new leak so this thread can get back on track and not circlejerk around whether or not wow is in maintenance mode.

Yes, please. We need fresh new leaks, the thread is derailing hard.

[Catastrophy349]

In a hypothetical world, if the 4 images, text, and website "leaks" are all linked and real, I would be pretty content. However, without a "major feature" like Torghast/Mage Tower/Artifact Weapon in 11.0 (with all the information shown from these "leaks"), I would be disappointed. Time will tell!

[Nymrohd]

Honestly, some people really underestimate the value of updating the systems.

Updating the Trees to a modern day standards is half the thing: the more important half is having easy scalable system to build upon in future.
All those minor and not updates and interfaces are very valuable to a long-term health of the game.

It wouldn't be good to have two expansions like this in a row, but I respect DF for modernizing the systems

See, I do not trust that the talent trees are an easily scalable system. In order to make choices matter they keep adding more and more procs or active abilities. Two expansions down the line, we will see a talent squish.

[Wangming]

Yes, please. We need fresh new leaks, the thread is derailing hard.

We need to dig up more spike traps for leaks and gather the hunters that drive them into said traps.

[Nymrohd]

As someone who has reverse engineered most if not all of the systems in WoW for work/hobby reasons, WoW is not currently in maintenance mode and I don't expect it to go in maintenance mode during 11.0 either based on ongoing work on client guts that have been happening for the last 2 expansions and are still in the works. Anyone claiming otherwise is being disingenuous, either to push an agenda or to troll.

Also, I'm not sure a genuine leak would even be picked up on anymore at this point if it hit this thread right in the face, it's moving too fast and arguably interesting information gets drowned out pretty much instantly. We'll probably just have to rough it out until BlizzCon unless some Blizzard-sourced/extremely good visual leaks come out that catch enough attention.

I mean we discussed the images for over a hundred pages, did we not? I think any media leak will have its time in the thread. If the leak is just a short text blurp then yes, it will be dismissed because we'd have no way to evaluate it.

[CaptainAlk]

Blatant fanboyism.

I have plenty of problems with DF, some things are not to my liking at all. I just think your points are intellectually dishonest

Elite in PvP
Ksm/KS Hero in M+
Mythic Raider of current tier

Sure bud

Are you really so easily impressed with a bullshit crafting revamp that added unneeded rankings like a mobile game and turned formerly boe items into bop items with rejected azerite traits yet think this is somehow a good design? There are people who really like this shit? Seriously?

So everything with ranks = mobile game. Im not sure where your hate for BoP items comes from? They added the workorder system which is basically the AH but with human interaction required (unless you post public orders). I can see some people disliking that, i personally think its cool Having crafters in your guild and knowing people on your server has value again, i see that as a positive. Feel free to disagree there but your subjective dislike of that interaction does not mean the system is a failure. Were you so easily impressed by the bullshit vanilla crafting and talent trees that had 95% irrelevant nodes? Seriously?

But i agree, lets not derail any further and get back to speculation. Personally i give those leaks a pretty good chance of being real, i dont think any of the debunks hit the mark as hard as some think they do. Personally speculating that they will hit M+/Raid/PvP with some big changes next expac since they seem to be on the track of revamping the basics and make them future proof. How that will look like i have honestly no clue about, i just hope we keep the 20 man mythic

[Wangming]

See, I do not trust that the talent trees are an easily scalable system. In order to make choices matter they keep adding more and more procs or active abilities. Two expansions down the line, we will see a talent squish.

This choices that matter thing is just a smokescreen, you know. At lower levels, none of them are bad choices and at higher levels there will always be a meta that will be enforced by gatekeepers.

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As someone who has reverse engineered most if not all of the systems in WoW for work/hobby reasons, WoW is not currently in maintenance mode and I don't expect it to go in maintenance mode during 11.0 either based on ongoing work on client guts that have been happening for the last 2 expansions and are still in the works. Anyone claiming otherwise is being disingenuous, either to push an agenda or to troll.

Now that actually sounds legit interesting. Care to ellaborate in a way leymen would understand?

[Nyel]

Mythic+ is putting a timer and affixes into already existing dungeons.
The new talent trees are way different from what we ever used to have.

Are classes way different? Did it magically entirely change the system? Nah, not really. They brought back old stuff, put some few new things into the talent tree and that’s about it. Most classes are not drastically different from the way they were before. Mythic+ changes the approach to do dungeons completely. I appreciate what they did with talents, but it’s not comparable to Mythic+ or World Quests when it comes to changes that entirely changed the way how we play the game.

[Lolites]

Ive completed all levels of content this patch.

thats hard to believe from someone who said only changes to gear in DF was getting back class sets...

[Wangming]

In a hypothetical world, if the 4 images, text, and website "leaks" are all linked and real, I would be pretty content. However, without a "major feature" like Torghast/Mage Tower/Artifact Weapon in 11.0 (with all the information shown from these "leaks"), I would be disappointed. Time will tell!

I mean, one of the text leaks did say sailable player boats. If those are real and can be customized, that can be fun. Although the current map wouldn't allow us to visit a good chunk of the zones, which is a misstep, I feel. Also we would need to eliminate the loading screen between some continents for it to be an evergreen system.

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thats hard to believe from someone who said only changes to gear in DF was getting back class sets...

The definition of "content" is always a nebulous thing over at moomoo champ. What you enjoy, is content. What you don't is not.
At least this seems to be what the majority thinks.

[Nyel]

I'm going to choose to believe the screenshots because if they turn out to be real, then I win because I picked the right leak.

If I'm wrong, then we get literally any other expansion, which would be my personal preference, so I still win.

Quite a healthy view. Win win in any case.

[bruxx]

Guys, my son's aunt's brother has leaked the expansion to me!
I cannot go into details because I don't want to jeopardize my son's aunt's brother's secret job, but here are the big line;
New continent : Tel'abim
New race: Banaren
New class: (REDACTED) a master at making enemies slip and hit themselves against nearby objects, Banaren only
New dungeons and raids
New cooking sub-specialization: You can now master 50 different kinds of banana boat recipes!
New feature: (REDACTED)

See you at blizzcon! 8)