Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Rathwell]

He came back with receipts. He did the math.

I ran my numbers by the guys down in the lab, and everything points to this having a catastrophic effect on our page count by Blizzcon. At current estimates, it appears we may be as many as a hundred pages away from 2,500 by the time of the opening ceremony without Teriz, and that's a very conservative estimate.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

I ran my numbers by the guys down in the lab, and everything points to this having a catastrophic effect on our page count by Blizzcon. At current estimates, it appears we may be as many as a hundred pages away from 2,500 by the time of the opening ceremony without Teriz, and that's a very conservative estimate.

I have to appreciate the effort in gathering us some real quantifiable data. However, I would not give up hope just yet. Theoretically, someone may broach the topic of Sylvanas, the faction war, etc. and cause a new sequence of pages-long digressions.

You are also discounting this:

World of Warcraft: Soul of Azeroth

See you guys on the 3rd.

being posted shortly after

Meh, I’m out this thread until expansion reveal. Ya’ll have fun. See you on the other side!

We clearly have precedent that Teriz may continuously return to remind us how little he will be engaging in this thread. If we hold out hope that he will return to continuously talk about how little he plans to talk, we may yet reach our desired figure.

[Ferlion]

I ran my numbers by the guys down in the lab, and everything points to this having a catastrophic effect on our page count by Blizzcon. At current estimates, it appears we may be as many as a hundred pages away from 2,500 by the time of the opening ceremony without Teriz, and that's a very conservative estimate.

It's ok. I'd rather have shorter threads, with less arguments, from people who care more.

[Nerdslime]

I ran my numbers by the guys down in the lab, and everything points to this having a catastrophic effect on our page count by Blizzcon. At current estimates, it appears we may be as many as a hundred pages away from 2,500 by the time of the opening ceremony without Teriz, and that's a very conservative estimate.

I can commit to posting once per day in furtherance of the goal.

[Krakerz]

Why does everyone assume Khaz Algar is a zone/city? Is there something ingame that states it's a part of Avaloren? After all, Khaz Modan is a continent, why not Khaz Algar?

[Rathwell]

I have to appreciate the effort in gathering us some real quantifiable data. However, I would not give up hope just yet. Theoretically, someone may broach a controversial topic and cause a new sequence of pages-long digressions.

Absolutely! In fact, there's a great chance we may get a leak at some point between now and the opening ceremony, which would drastically effect the page count. People also tend to get into a bit of a posting frenzy in the hours leading up to the announcement, so even in a Teriz-deprived state it's perfectly possible we're going to outpace the current 'lull' we're in. The question is whether or not such a frenzy could account for a ~140-page deficit.

At the moment, my most optimistic estimates hinge on a new leak stirring conversation, and I'm going to bet that leak is going to happen the day before Blizzcon.

[Ferlion]

Why does everyone assume Khaz Algar is a zone/city? Is there something ingame that states it's a part of Avaloren? After all, Khaz Modan is a continent, why not Khaz Algar?

THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING! Or...well.. said like..500 pages ago

[Dismayxz]

Any new juice, any debunks, Leaks or are we out here drying up in the Info-sahara?

[Colonel Sandor]

Any new juice, any debunks, Leaks or are we out here drying up in the Info-sahara?

We're dry.

[Rathwell]

I can commit to posting once per day in furtherance of the goal.

You will be remembered a hero, soldier.

Why does everyone assume Khaz Algar is a zone/city? Is there something ingame that states it's a part of Avaloren? After all, Khaz Modan is a continent, why not Khaz Algar?

I am not actually sure what indications we have for either's size. A lot of speculation seem to hinge on Avaloren being a continent that Khaz Algar may be located in, which I believe stems from the Four Screenshots™ labelling the continent Avaloren. So, if that leak is to be believed and we still believe Khaz Algar is happening, we'd have to assume Khaz Algar is located somewhere in Avaloren.

But, should those screens prove fake and Avaloren is still happening, I'm not sure if there's anything to say Khaz Algar isn't the continent, and Avaloren the city.

[Foolicious]

Has there ever been a leak before that didn't include the expansion name?

I don't remember bfa being leaked with its name. There was someone who leaked parts of the story and allied races, but i don't think the name surfaced before announcement.
Every other one we knew sometime before announcement.

[bruxx]

I don't remember bfa being leaked with its name. There was someone who leaked parts of the story and allied races, but i don't think the name surfaced before announcement.
Every other one we knew sometime before announcement.

It did, I was super distrustful because I found that the title sounded dumb. Joke's on me.

[Rathwell]

I don't remember bfa being leaked with its name. There was someone who leaked parts of the story and allied races, but i don't think the name surfaced before announcement.
Every other one we knew sometime before announcement.

BFA's name was the first to be leaked, I think, because it was spotted in one of those trademark registration things. I don't think I saw a leak where the name was attached to an accurate description of the expansion, though. I recall most speculation, after the name was discovered, was that "Battle for Azeroth" was going to be the title of some new Warcraft-based mobile game because it sounded very not-expansion-y

[Kiivar86]

It did, I was super distrustful because I found that the title sounded dumb. Joke's on me.

Same. I thought it sounded too generic, or at least for something like a spinoff game.

Ate crow there, that's for sure.

[shieldslammer]

Why does everyone assume Khaz Algar is a zone/city? Is there something ingame that states it's a part of Avaloren? After all, Khaz Modan is a continent, why not Khaz Algar?

People have always assumed it even though I don't think there's anything in game that forces them to be in the same place. I think it is natural to assume they are though because of "Algarian Stormrider". Storms can be associated with Avaloren because we know there are storms west of kalimdor. We know from the green dragon story that someone crossed that stormwall (at least allegedly). And given that odyn's expeditions to Avaloren result in wreckage it's natural to think that storms are protecting avaloren. And so storms are linked to Avaloren. And now Khaz Algar is linked to storms via the storm rider mount. So they get slapped together. It doesn't have to be that way. It just seems likely.

[Krakerz]

But, should those screens prove fake and Avaloren is still happening, I'm not sure if there's anything to say Khaz Algar isn't the continent, and Avaloren the city.

But is there anything tying them together at all, other than the fact that they both first got mention in Dragonflight? Could they be two completely separate continents/regions, like Pandaria and Northrend? Everyone seems to assume they're connected, but from what I can tell the only established connection between them is that they are both namedropped in the new Uldaman, but in separate books. The books also mention Uldorus and we know that is nowhere near Khaz Algar OR Avaloren

[Colonel Sandor]

This will probably come out as a photo for ants but:




Both leaks share the same model ogre-dude. So there must either be collusion, faked by the same guy, or this shit is real.

If you find a higher res or better scaled version of the desert pic in the "leak" you can see the matching red marks on the chest.

[Sebashtian]

Pretty positive this is an elaborate fake leak by the same person(s). Give it a few days and we'll see a "making of" post.

[Gloriandus]

Not sure about how the trademarks work, can they be "hidden" until a reveal date?

https://uspto.report/company/Blizzard-Entertainment-Inc

[Rathwell]

But is there anything tying them together at all, other than the fact that they both first got mention in Dragonflight? Could they be two completely separate continents/regions, like Pandaria and Northrend? Everyone seems to assume they're connected, but from what I can tell the only established connection between them is that they are both namedropped in the new Uldaman, but in separate books. The books also mention Uldorus and we know that is nowhere near Khaz Algar OR Avaloren

Perfectly possible that they're entirely separate locations. Although both have strong ties to the Titans/Keepers, so it depends on if Blizzard wants to do two continents where one is,

Avaloren, a location where Titan Keeper Odyn sent unsuccessful expeditions of Titan forces to pursue heretics

and the other is,

Khaz Algar, a location where a group of Earthen dwarves were sent by the Titan Keepers to investigate anomalies and subsequently started developing culture.


I think there's quite a lot of overlap between the two