Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[huth]

Exactly.

I also think the whole theme of explosives for Survival is weird. Traps, fine. Makes sense in the wild. But explosives goes against the whole "surviving in nature" theme, and seems like something that would just end up giving your position away.

Surviving in nature, not surviving in hiding. Also, you two should really look up how spears were actually used. Spears are actually one of the most sensible weapon choices for Survival.

[Khazm]

Into the Khazm
New island west of Kalimdor, 3 new zones in layered tiers beneath the earth
Khaz Algar is not Avaloren
Horde ally with the rebel dwarves, Alliance ally with the cave goblins
Khaz Algar was a prison, Xal'atath unleashed the inhabitants
Elemental customization options for old races
Timewalking Mythic+
Seasonal events to bring people to the old world
Runic augmentation
Archeology revamp

[ImTheMizAwesome]

https://www.mmo-champion.com/members/568771-Axaron

Oh yeah, thanks.

I remember there being a lot info from that person on the day of DF reveal.

[Nyel]

Not really.

Oh absolutely. The crowd still clinging on nostalgia and Classic (that didn’t bother to check out WoW years later) is way bigger than the crowd awaiting the xth retail expansion.

We know they are announcing the next retail expansion. An announcement of Classic+ would be unprecedented and unexpected and therefore the hype would be waaaaaaaay bigger.

[ercarp]

Into the Khazm
New island west of Kalimdor, 3 new zones in layered tiers beneath the earth
Khaz Algar is not Avaloren
Horde ally with the rebel dwarves, Alliance ally with the cave goblins
Khaz Algar was a prison, Xal'atath unleashed the inhabitants
Elemental customization options for old races
Timewalking Mythic+
Seasonal events to bring people to the old world
Runic augmentation
Archeology revamp

Sorry, let me get this straight, the expansion name is a portmanteau of Khaz + Chasm?

Also, Timewalking Mythic+ is not a new feature. We already had that.

[Nyel]

https://i.imgur.com/JZxTbZq.jpg

Fissure, Dwarves, Lightning (Storm?), even some Roots - it's Khaz Algar from Wish.

Yeah or it’s just Grizzly Hills HD. Looks cool though.

[Makorus]

Into the Khazm
New island west of Kalimdor, 3 new zones in layered tiers beneath the earth
Khaz Algar is not Avaloren
Horde ally with the rebel dwarves, Alliance ally with the cave goblins
Khaz Algar was a prison, Xal'atath unleashed the inhabitants
Elemental customization options for old races
Timewalking Mythic+
Seasonal events to bring people to the old world
Runic augmentation
Archeology revamp

Khazm LMAO

[Harbour]

Yeah someone brought it up earlier.
It does seem weird to me if Khaz Algar is literally next to Ulduar though but I would not mind a Northrend Revamp!
War of the Scaleborn actually mentions plenty of locations that would likely be on Northrend; both Vyranoth and Iridikron had lairs there.
Plus Odyn is right there. We could have a revamped Ulduar raid!

OK I am behind this idea. Northrend Revamp, Elun'ahir below Sholazar, Azjol Nerub zone, the lairs of the different Incarnates as possible dungeons or raids, Ulduar. It is perfect to continue the story, it has some underground zones without being underground, Dalaran is no longer there so we could get Crystalsong proper.

If we did get a 10.3 proper patch with a raid and everything, I personally would have speculated a Northrend Visual Update (not revamp) as the location for this reason; it just works with the story. Have Uldaz be a facility beneath Northrend, they had more than Ulduar after all.

You know what? Now that you said it, it would make kind of sense for Northrend full revamp in the similar style Outland was turned Into AU Draenor
Like it's the similar shape, same name, some places are the same but overall with the whole new biomes after lich king was defeated, with Azjol Nerub Underground, Odyn, Dwarves, raid beneath Ulduar(!!!), something beneath Galakrond fall etc.

[Raetary]

Into the Khazm

This is it.
We got our expansion name!

[Valkorion1337]

This is it.
We got our expansion name!

Imgine they showed your Hype Train Wallpaper front and centre at BlizzCon. I'd cry so hard from laughing on floor Be great to see!

[Nyel]

You know what? Now that you said it, it would make kind of sense for Northrend full revamp in the similar style Outland was turned Into AU Draenor
Like it's the similar shape, same name, some places are the same but overall with the whole new biomes after lich king was defeated, with Azjol Nerub Underground, Odyn, Dwarves, raid beneath Ulduar(!!!), something beneath Galakrond fall etc.

Honestly, sounds like a neat idea. I mean there was a lot of stuff in Northrend we didn’t get to explore properly. But that’s the case with every expansion. If we get something like that, give us finally the Troll raid in Gundrak.

[Wangming]

Into the Khazm
New island west of Kalimdor, 3 new zones in layered tiers beneath the earth
Khaz Algar is not Avaloren
Horde ally with the rebel dwarves, Alliance ally with the cave goblins
Khaz Algar was a prison, Xal'atath unleashed the inhabitants
Elemental customization options for old races
Timewalking Mythic+
Seasonal events to bring people to the old world
Runic augmentation
Archeology revamp

Is this the season's Wrath of the Bolvar?

[ercarp]

You know what? Now that you said it, it would make kind of sense for Northrend full revamp in the similar style Outland was turned Into AU Draenor

That reminded me of the revamped Northrend leak/concept I posted in the 9.0 speculation thread way back when. The idea was that it would have been damaged by the Cataclysm, causing flooding (and other changes) across the entire continent. Also I got rid of Zul'Drak cus I hate that place.



Btw, I'm noticing now that I kind of got the location of Uldorus/Tyrhold correct.

[Lady Atia]

Yes it was a massive amount of work and long time players appreciated it but it wasn't a very good tactic yo bring back lapsed players, or yo recruit new ones. You need something big and flashy. It could be garrions/Torghast, islands etc.

Think about how much worse the sales would have been too if DF had no nee class?

Sadly, no one cared for these so called "features", besides garrisons which also got flak. Most of them only got better at the end of the expansion anyways (easier transmog for island expeditions, better torghast modes), which was shortly before they abandoned them. Besides that, the game needs evergreen stuff, not "borrowed power" or even worse "borrowed features". Bring in a glyph revamp, a racial revamp, housing, flex mythic raiding or a pvp reward revamp that gives CASUALS access to elite and gladiator rewards that are older than 2 expansions (to make up for casuals getting their hands on mythic rewards down the line). That's stuff that brings players back and makes them stay. Not some "feature" that you know will get abandoned after 4 seasons.

[ercarp]

Is this the season's Wrath of the Bolvar?

It might be, it gave me a good chuckle.

[Wangming]

You know what? Now that you said it, it would make kind of sense for Northrend full revamp in the similar style Outland was turned Into AU Draenor
Like it's the similar shape, same name, some places are the same but overall with the whole new biomes after lich king was defeated, with Azjol Nerub Underground, Odyn, Dwarves, raid beneath Ulduar(!!!), something beneath Galakrond fall etc.

If we get an AU Northrend we should totally have a Lich Queen. Be it Jaina or Sylvanas, that meme has to live on.
Or maybe, just maybe for extra fan points have the time changed to Illidan beating Arthas in that last battle and him putting on the Helm of Domination.

[Eldryth]

You know what? Now that you said it, it would make kind of sense for Northrend full revamp in the similar style Outland was turned Into AU Draenor
Like it's the similar shape, same name, some places are the same but overall with the whole new biomes after lich king was defeated, with Azjol Nerub Underground, Odyn, Dwarves, raid beneath Ulduar(!!!), something beneath Galakrond fall etc.

There should definitely be a lot happening there, too. The Ebon Blade have been fighting a war against the freed Scourge since Shadowlands (still weird that the whole invasion was just ignored apart from that one questline that made it seem like Lakeshire was about to be overwhelmed), and supposedly things were dire there before the time skip. I'd like to see how that's going now, 5+ years later.

[Wangming]

It might be, it gave me a good chuckle.

The ultimate wow expansion:

After an experiment has gone wrong in the Eye of Azshara and got Corgis Unleashed the Council of Glades escaped into the Khasm to avoid the Wrath of the Bolvar.

Sounds like a modern anime title innit?

[Nymrohd]

Honestly, sounds like a neat idea. I mean there was a lot of stuff in Northrend we didn’t get to explore properly. But that’s the case with every expansion. If we get something like that, give us finally the Troll raid in Gundrak.

We know Khaz Algar is far from Uldaman, maybe it could be an underwater fissure between Northrend and Dragon Isles. The continental shelf completely breaks on the east coast of Zul'drak so maybe that's where Khaz Algar used to be and now most of it is underwater as it fell into the sea during Cataclysm. Imagine if it joins underground with Zaralek and we can fly from Northrend to Khaz Algar, to Zaralek to Dragon Isles. Or simply make it possible to fly aboveground through some mists and skybox illusion from east Northrend sea border to Dragon Isles so if they plant the tree in Ohn'ara it is still right next to the next expac and you can fly back and forth pretty fast.
Do a visual revamp of Northrend, add an Azjol Nerub zone, maybe have Elun'ahir be right next to it and part of the same underground system. For side stories we can have a Talanji storyline where she helps resettle Zul'drak, have the Taunka and Frostborn formally join the Horde and Alliance, maybe more Kalecgos in Coldarra. Heck we could find what those Saronite vapor-like things where that we found in Ulduar during the Legion pre-quests. We'd get all the keepers back as well. Northrend which means more Vrykul (maybe we even find out who the Drust where and why they left). More Tuskar, more wolvar, more Oracles. Continue the dragon story from Dragonflight by moving it into Northrend with Wyrmrest Accord becoming a capital.

[Chickat]

Absolutely, the talent tree part of the artifacts is just a base system enhancement. But the artifacts had also content added with them tied to acquiring all the skins not to mention the initial storylines to acquire them and all the unique reactions they offered with the world.
You can argue that world quests are just an evolution of dailies by dailies are a content system in and of themselves. They give you a new way to spend your time and combined with the emissary system formed a major reward cycle since Legion.
And with Mythic+ you must be joking. "Minor changes to the dungeon system". M+ changes the way dungeons are run completely and vastly increase the time one will spend playing them. That is an additional way to play the game on par with raiding instead of something you mostly do while leveling.

I stand by what i said. The new talents are too the old talents what mythic plus is to regular dungeons