Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Teriz]

Because that's the story they wanna tell?
"Nooo, you cant use new locations without going to Undermine first!!!"

If that's a story they want to tell, don't you think they would be fleshing out the story more than they have been?

[Makorus]

No, because the Draon isles existed in name for the last 18 years before it got made into an expansion, and received fanfare during that entire period.

Avaloren doesn't have 18 years of content creators and fans speculating about its existence and concept, it has a mention in a book from just 3 patches ago that just started to enter the communities collective consciousness.

Right, so if Avaloren was namedropped in some random dialogue in TBC, without anything else about it, it would be okay?
What we knew about the Dragon Isles was 1.) there's probably dragons there and 2.) Wrathion is looking for it.

That's it lmao.

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If that's a story they want to tell, don't you think they would be fleshing out the story more than they have been?

Why does the story of a place need to be fleshed out before we are at the place? Once again, why do we need to know exactly everything about a place before we even go to a place? What the fuck is that logic.

[Nyel]

Saying an expansion can't be exciting because the location isn't interesting is just doomer BS.

That’s not at all what I said. Avaloren being a completely unknown and (as of now) irrelevant location is just one of the reasons, there are more and I already listed them. Not going to do it again because this discussion leads nowhere.

By the way, new Reddit leak just dropped.

[ZyntosAran]

That’s not at all what I said. Avaloren being a completely unknown and (as of now) irrelevant location is just one of the reasons, there are more and I already listed them. Not going to do it again because this discussion leads nowhere.

By the way, new Reddit leak just dropped.

"blizzard is behind the Avaloren Leak"

hehe, no.

[Rathwell]

That’s not at all what I said. Avaloren being a completely unknown and (as of now) irrelevant location is just one of the reasons, there are more and I already listed them. Not going to do it again because this discussion leads nowhere.

By the way, new Reddit leak just dropped.

"Augmentation evoker will no longer be the only support spec when 11.0 drops. That's all I will say"

Because he couldn't bother coming up with a specific prediction.

[Raetary]

Right, so if Avaloren was namedropped in some random dialogue in TBC, without anything else about it, it would be okay?

Yes.
Quite literally yes.

If the name and concept had an actual time to simmer in the background, become part of the collective consciousness of the community, receive fanfare in form of speculation and content creation and maybe even furter world building on Blizzards part (though, not entirely necessary as we saw with DF), then it absolutely would be better.

I'm honestly baffled that we have to argue about this.

[Jaggler]

LEt's not pretend like places like Pandaria or the Shadowlands were especially fleshed out other than "here's where panda people come from" or "here's where dead people kinda maybe go". Even Places like Zandalar weren't very explored other than "here is where the Zandalar live".

[Nyel]

Yes.
Quite literally yes.

If the name and concept had an actual time to simmer in the background, become part of the collective consciousness of the community, receive fanfare in form of speculation and content creation and maybe even world building on Blizzards part (though, not entirely necessary as we saw with DF), then it absolutely would be better.

I'm honestly baffled that we have to argue about this.

Give it up, he doesn’t get what we’re trying to say and at this point I just think he disagrees to disagree and not because he really believes in what he says.

[Teriz]

Why does the story of a place need to be fleshed out before we are at the place? Once again, why do we need to know exactly everything about a place before we even go to a place? What the fuck is that logic.

Again, that's how Blizzard implements their expansions. They don't just throw random stuff up and expect their fanbase to eat it up. They purposely use long standing locations and WC items in order to pull in their fanbase. It's the same reason Star Wars keeps pulling in characters from the original trilogy in newer shows, or Indiana Jones keeps using Harrison Ford, or Street Fighter uses Ryu and Ken.

[Lady Atia]

Yes.
Quite literally yes.

If the name and concept had an actual time to simmer in the background, become part of the collective consciousness of the community, receive fanfare in form of speculation and content creation and maybe even world building on Blizzards part (though, not entirely necessary as we saw with DF), then it absolutely would be better.

I'm honestly baffled that we have to argue about this.

Tbf, atleast it's not like the Jailer who literally was invented for Shadowlands, had no former buildup/teases/hints and was killed within 3 seasons without even giving him any propper lore just because they wanted him to be "mysterious".

N'Zoth and Nyalotha/Nazjatar are on the other side of the spectrum - seeded early, with years of speculation and all of that was just wasted on some shitty side patch instead of an expansion.

Atleast Argus kinda worked, but it still would have been a better expansion than a final patch imo. Just the timing would have been a problem, as Argus would have been the third legion expansion in a row.

And yes, I will die on this hill ... making something into an expansion will always turn out to be better than just wasting it on a patch, especially if the game wants to survive another 20 years.

[Varodoc]

I will be very curious to see the audience reaction to "New Continent: Avaloren".

The vast majority of players and streamers don't read codex entries, they will have never heard of "Avaloren".

I remember that people were so hyped when Kul Tiras and Zandalar were revealed, because these were major kingdoms that had been hyped up since at least Cataclysm. Same thing for when the Tomb of Sargeras or the Shadowlands were shown.

Even Gilneas, a minor human kingdom, generated a lot of hype when it was revealed, because people wanted to see what was behind that famous wall from Vanilla Silverpine.

The Dragon Isles were a major secret from Vanilla WOW. The average player is interested in secrets of the videogame, so they knew that the Dragon Isles were a cut island with an Old God-inspired temple. There was definitely a lot of hype for the Dragon Isles because people had already heard of it one way or another.

Avaloren? The average player has never heard of it. I will eagerly await to see the crowd reaction if Avaloren really is next continent.

[Rathwell]

LEt's not pretend like places like Pandaria or the Shadowlands were especially fleshed out other than "here's where panda people come from" or "here's where dead people kinda maybe go". Even Places like Zandalar weren't very explored other than "here is where the Zandalar live".

Right, but these were known of for a long time and speculated about for years, so people were generally aware of their existence and had all sorts of speculations about what these places could be about, which generates hype and expectations.

Sort of like Uldum in Vanilla. It didn't arrive until several expansions later, but since it had been named dropped years ago and there was a tiny quest chain about it in Vanilla, its release was a bigger deal than if it had just been casually mentioned 6 months prior to Cataclysm

[Teriz]

I will be very curious to see the audience reaction to "New Continent: Avaloren".

The vast majority of players and streamers don't read codex entries, they will have never heard of "Avaloren".

I remember that people were so hyped when Kul Tiras and Zandalar were revealed, because these were major kingdoms that had been hyped up since at least Cataclysm. Same thing for when the Tomb of Sargeras or the Shadowlands were shown.

Even Gilneas, a minor human kingdom, generated a lot of hype when it was revealed, because people wanted to see what was behind that famous wall from Vanilla Silverpine.

The Dragon Isles were a major secret from Vanilla WOW. The average player is interested in secrets of the videogame, so they knew that the Dragon Isles were a cut island with an Old God-inspired temple. There was definitely a lot of hype for the Dragon Isles because people had already heard of it one way or another.

Avaloren? The average player has never heard of it. I will eagerly await to see the crowd reaction if Avaloren really is next continent.

It also should be mentioned that the Dragon Isles had connections to multiple major WC dragon characters like Alexstraza, Chromie, and Wrathion. As soon as it was mentioned in BFA people immediately understood that the Dragon Isles would be the origin place of the dragons. That gave it a big lore foundation from the beginning. We knew about the Dragon Isles because we knew those characters.

[Moth Preacher]

I was here for just several days: can someone explain, why do people(including leakers) cling to UwUloren? If it was first mentioned in DF, in a random codex: wouldn't it make sense that Blizzard will give it time to ripe and grow roots, rumors among playerbase? It's like what they do constantly, including Isle Expeditions, Whispers of Old Gods, etc

[Jaggler]

Right, but these were known of for a long time and speculated about for years, so people were generally aware of their existence and had all sorts of speculations about what these places could be about, which generates hype and expectations.

Sort of like Uldum in Vanilla. It didn't arrive until several expansions later, but since it had been named dropped years ago and there was a tiny quest chain about it in Vanilla, its release was a bigger deal than if it had just been casually mentioned 6 months prior to Cataclysm

Yeah, but in the end, that only helps with "hype" prior to the expansion. what counts in the end, is whether the stories and people there are exciting or not.

Don't get me wrong, i don't really care, whether we go to Avaloren, Undermine, Underground, Hollow Azeroth, the Moons or the Lifelands. I don't really mind either way.

[Teriz]

I was here for just several days: can someone explain, why do people(including leakers) cling to UwUloren? If it was first mentioned in DF, in a random codex: wouldn't it make sense that Blizzard will give it time to ripe and grow roots, rumors among playerbase? It's like what they do constantly, including Isle Expeditions, Whispers of Old Gods, etc

Because people don't want to accept the alternative; An underground expansion which makes a whole lot more sense on pretty much every level.

[Kiria]

Because people don't want to accept the alternative; An underground expansion which makes a whole lot more sense on pretty much every level.

It may make sense but it would also be the end of alot of people WoW careers as Zaralek was a complete disaster and I don't think Blizz can afford to lose too many more players.

[Hipnos14]

I find it very telling that most people are trying to discredit the main leak instead of being excited about it !_! Blizzard better have something more behind the curtain.

[Joszef Kiprich]

Sill having a hard time not responding till Blizzcon. Addicted, I say.
Come on, need more leaks or a few days skipped!

[Ersula]

I find it very telling that most people are trying to discredit the main leak instead of being excited about it !_! Blizzard better have something more behind the curtain.

Because the leak looks extremely boring