Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Teriz]

Same reason people want playable Tuskarr. Either as a meme or a super niche interest they have. Pandaren were not a popular request at all

Interesting, because we have devs stating that the opposite is true;

During an interview with Game Front, Lead Quest Designer Dave Kosak, who also was on the panel with Metzen, echoed the sentiments that Mists of Pandaria may seem more light-hearted, but it's just as important to the overall WoW experience as the previous expansion sets. Kosak also said that a playable pandaren race is “by far” the most asked-for World of Warcraft feature among fans.

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/His...en_in_Warcraft

[Neoplanet]

what the fuck is up , happy last-monday-before-blizzcon. did i miss anything saucy over the weekend? i assume not, but always worth to check

If you are not yesterday , we have a leaker fight , and 3 leaks probably burned up

[Aeula]

Interesting, because we have devs stating that the opposite is true;



https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/His...en_in_Warcraft

That's an actually insane quote. No idea what metric the devs are going off but I find it laughable. More asked for than anything else? Even gameplay features? Pandaren? I do not believe that for a second.

I know it wasn't what me or ANYONE I'd known wanted. I'd heard of Pandaren the same way I hear of Tuskarr today.

[Harbour]

I have a gut feeling they wont leak anything this time.

[Hitei]

I have a gut feeling they wont leak anything this time.

They already leaked it, we're just all keeping it a secret from you.

[NikolaiShade]

I have a gut feeling they wont leak anything this time.

If the 4 screenshots are fake, and I suspect they are, we culd get just a snippety leak before announcement

[Teriz]

And again, what prove, what objective data do you have that this expansion cannot in any way end in such a lore situation that we go to X (X being Avaloren, Undermine, The moon, The shed out back, Wallmart, or whatever)? Because you seem so convinced that DF does not have a story hook into the next expansion.

Except DF DOES have a hook to the next expansion, and that hook is Iridikron and the void object he stole.

None of that has anything to do with Avaloren though. Instead it involves the world soul, which Iridikron has clearly stated that he wants to rip away from the titans.

[blaatschaap]

I have a gut feeling they wont leak anything this time.

at some point some tangible promotional material will come across someone, it's impossible that doesn't happen. if we are unlucky, it happens only 1 day before blizzcon, but it is inevitable imo.

[Echil46]

The reason to go to the Dragon Isles is to visit the homeland of WoW's major draconic characters and explore their history and restore their place on Azeroth. Which is why the expansion was initiated by Wrathion, a very popular WoW character who's main goal has been to re-establish the Black Dragonflight and shake off the legacy of his father since his introduction in Cataclysm.

But yeah, "no reason".

And yet, after it all, i'm still left wondering how any of that expansion is related to the rest.
Unless you're a Dracthyr, you may have slipped through the story.

And even if you haven't, it feels so disconnected from us (the player character) that it doesnt really matter.
Everytime any of the dragons were of importance, it was either fighting us, or with us against stomething bigger.
And at no time did we learn anything about an incarnate vault, or anything related to the incarnates.

Story delivery was so bad this time the expansion might has well be entirely forgotten / be in its own bubble, like SL. I'm not saying the story is bad, but I, as a player OR a character, don't feel like it is relevant to me.

SL story was bad. Like. BAAAAD. but the delivery was okay. I understood why we went where we went, even if i though it sucked.
DF story is probably better, only because SL was THAT bad, but I'm not sure it is. Because the delivery is so bad I don't know if i know all there is to.. know.

All i'm saying is, i still don't know why we shipped to the DF to start with.
The Mists have lifted (and we know why) / We attack the Legion to push them back / We fend off the Iron Horde / We need to save our leaders in the Afterlife / We seek new allies to fight the opposing faction / The land is healing somehow and... uhh... Wrathion is being homesick at the exact time some big unknown Dragon is trying to free her brothers and sisters ?

I'm not saying there's no story, but... man the delivery suck as hard as SL story.

[Mecheon]

This really needs a source. You keep spouting it, but there is no basis for it.

Chen wasn't just a side mission character, he stayed with you for the entire campaign and you got him before Rokhan, the other character who you travelled with, Had to do a sidequest to unlock him, sure, but that's basically everyone. If you did that mission early (which could be done as it was right along a main pathway, there's a reason one of Durotar's big features is that exact canyon) you'd have him for the entire campaign basically.

He's always been more relevant than say, Samuro, who was just "You get a Blademaster for one mission", and Pandaren were absolutely one of the most requested races. Like, there were far more requests for Pandaren as playable than ogres, absolutely a top three race, only dwarfed by, y'know. High and Blood elves.

That's an actually insane quote. No idea what metric the devs are going off but I find it laughable. More asked for than anything else? Even gameplay features? Pandaren? I do not believe that for a second.

I know it wasn't what me or ANYONE I'd known wanted. I'd heard of Pandaren the same way I hear of Tuskarr today.

I was around the traps in Vanilla, I can confirm: Pandaren were massively requested since basically launch. Easier far more popular than ogres. If I recall correctly the running stuff at the time was BElves/HElves up first, Naga or goblins around second, Pandaren third, then Worgen.

Tuskarr weren't even talked about until Wrath, and that was because before Wrath, Tuskarr were just random hostile creep on the Icecrown maps. They got a big of popularity in Wrath, sure, but by that time Pandaren were a three plus expansion behemoth who absolutely gained massive popularity from the "TBC was supposed to have Pandaren" rumours

Kinda offtopic to the current discussion but still fitting the topic of this thread

Let's assume that all leaks are fake. Which could mean that blizzard finally managed to not give out any unencrypted art or press kit before the announcement. Which.... Is about time, isn't it?

Possibly. Or the folks with it have something on it that'd identify them if they spread it

[Foolicious]

Wasn't Odyn right actually lol?

All the dragons do is corrupting themselves and being drama queens. Like majority of the problems that Dragons solve are caused by the Dragons

Kind of. But to be fair the keepers are just as bad at protecting azeroth as the dragons are. Their track record of corruption and drama isn't much better.

[Teriz]

That's an actually insane quote. No idea what metric the devs are going off but I find it laughable. More asked for than anything else? Even gameplay features? Pandaren? I do not believe that for a second.

I know it wasn't what me or ANYONE I'd known wanted. I'd heard of Pandaren the same way I hear of Tuskarr today.

Metzen backed up that statement, and Blizzard originally wanted to release them in TBC due to their popularity.

[Neoplanet]

If the 4 screenshots are fake, and I suspect they are, we culd get just a snippety leak before announcement

For me they are , and its or world revamp , Or khaz algar + partial revamp , or avaloren + khaz algar

Also , the prints don't say about a new class or race playable , or other mechanics , only zones , and this can be suspicious , since is more easy to fake zones than classes/races or mechanics

[Mecheon]

Iridikron who?
Random dude showed in cinematic and did nothing?

He's had enough presence in those cinematics to build him up, plus we did fight him in that one boss fight

Certainly more an understandable threat than the Jailer was

[Teriz]

Go to Argus. Look up. Yes, they have, simply by making it a planet.

Cool. Is there any landmass on that other side?

[Well Done Steak]

The reason to go to the Dragon Isles is to visit the homeland of WoW's major draconic characters and explore their history and restore their place on Azeroth. Which is why the expansion was initiated by Wrathion, a very popular WoW character who's main goal has been to re-establish the Black Dragonflight and shake off the legacy of his father since his introduction in Cataclysm.

But yeah, "no reason".

Actually the reason was the primalist invasions, infinite stealing tyr's disk, and the return of the dravthyr and Raz that compelled us to go to the dragon isles

[ImTheMizAwesome]

I have a gut feeling they wont leak anything this time.

well it's only few more days, but probably someone will have a screenshot of something on the day of blizzcon.

[Wangming]

Revisionist history at its finest folks.

If Chen wasn't a popular character why did people want a playable Pandaren race? The only playable Pandaren we had for years was Chen. And yeah, they were asked for constantly from vanilla until their final reveal in MoP. That's why Blizzard did the expansion, and that's why Chen was all over it when it was announced.

Personally I play them cause they make the most sense as monks. And I think monk is a cool class. Plus i really love their jokes and flirt.
I mean how can you beat "Nice pants. What's the drop rate" ? Shame that one got removed. Along with the BDSM jokes for Goblins.

But Pandaren males still have: "They say to err is human. Hehh, stupid humans."

[Echil46]

Except DF DOES have a hook to the next expansion, and that hook is Iridikron and the void object he stole.

None of that has anything to do with Avaloren though. Instead it involves the world soul, which Iridikron has clearly stated that he wants to rip away from the titans.

Story is what the blizz writers want it to be.
What is to say that Iridikron schemes didn't involve the Dwarves in Avaloren digging deeper in the fissure, and found yet another Titan hidden room, in which resides a last old god stuck in a seemingly eternal conflict with Azeroth itself as a world soul ? Aided by Xalatath that pinpointed the exact location because she is in contact with said old god... And old god corruption is seeping through, corrupting a major part of the new zones..


And suddenly, the Algarian Dwarves, decide to call their nemesis Odyn for help... but he's blinded by anger, lifts the storm around Avaloren, and asks us mount an expedition to seek the unfaithful ones. There, we bring Tyr back to life, and he steers us into helping the Algarian dwarves fight off the old god, then Odyn itself because he couldn't accept desobedience.

Or the dwarves were made aware of their cousins of Khaz Modan (and the rest of Alliance and Horde) through that Squall pirate ship, decide to send us a plea for help.

Story is what to make it. The real issue isn't to get the idea, but to deliver on it.

[Wangming]

Metzen backed up that statement, and Blizzard originally wanted to release them in TBC due to their popularity.

In hindsight, I'm glad they came with their own expansion though. It let them be developed more as a society and culture.