Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Well Done Steak]

What's that got to do with us? The keepers even told Odyn to leave them alone and let them kill themselves.



Again, the green dragon story is not connected to Avaloren.

It has nothing to do with us yet... But again, with Tyr coming back that could change, along with the Vyr and wrath quest line.

You don't know that green dragon isn't connected to avaloren, it's merely a hint.

Since going west has been hinted multiple times and avaloren seems to be hidden in some secret area, it's a safe assumption

[blaatschaap]

Teriz has valid points, but they forget that azerite being Azeroth's essence seeping out from Azeroth's wounds was announced at BlizzCon 2017 before the Antorus end cinematic was released. Ion even joked about the Seething Shore battleground that he had no idea why they were fighting there, I quote "there's nothing interesting going on in Silithus". Once you see the cinematic of Sargeras stabbing Azeroth with a giant sword, that all of a sudden makes perfect sense as an in-universe rationale. The entire faction war makes little sense were it not for that context of azerite being an incredible source of power, which Sylvanas sought to exploit (for the jailer's purposes, but I doubt they had that idea already in 2017). I agree with Teriz, though, in principle that Avaloren has not enough setup in terms of lore or being associated with other lore/characters to warrant going there right now. If 10.2 is the end of Dragonflight in terms of major storyline content, I don't see how the Fyrakk death cinematic can possibly lead into Avaloren, there is no possible conceivable connection between the two conceptually, I think.

[Sondrelk]

And maybe the entrance to Uldaz is on the other side of the world?

Why would it be there? Seems like the Titan Keepers would have considered getting it back a much higher priority if it's that vital. Currently it just seems like Odyn has a hate boner for whatever is there because they mutinied against the Titan keepers that came with them for nebulous reasons, and that getting back there isn't a massive concern.

[Joszef Kiprich]

Don't wanna be rude but if the tinker story begins with "the cunning, ressourceful, tech savy and inventive tinkers have been locked up in a whole titan powered, full of tech, for ages", then our tinkers are gonna be pretty underwhelming. Like a fisherman starving to death because he couldnt catch a fish while stuck on an island fully geared.

That one went over your head didn't it?

Damn it, still no actual leaks...

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Why would it be there? Seems like the Titan Keepers would have considered getting it back a much higher priority if it's that vital. Currently it just seems like Odyn has a hate boner for whatever is there because they mutinied against the Titan keepers that came with them for nebulous reasons, and that getting back there isn't a massive concern.

Simple answer could be, because Blizzard wants it to be. I don't know....
I think we should get a revamp before Avaloren, so they have an expansions length to actually build up a story around it.

[Delever]

Teriz has valid points, but they forget that azerite being Azeroth's essence seeping out from Azeroth's wounds was announced at BlizzCon 2017 before the Antorus end cinematic was released. Ion even joked about the Seething Shore battleground that he had no idea why they were fighting there, I quote "there's nothing interesting going on in Silithus". Once you see the cinematic of Sargeras stabbing Azeroth with a giant sword, that all of a sudden makes perfect sense as an in-universe rationale. The entire faction war makes little sense were it not for that context of azerite being an incredible source of power, which Sylvanas sought to exploit (for the jailer's purposes, but I doubt they had that idea already in 2017). I agree with Teriz, though, in principle that Avaloren has not enough setup in terms of lore or being associated with other lore/characters to warrant going there right now. If 10.2 is the end of Dragonflight in terms of major storyline content, I don't see how the Fyrakk death cinematic can possibly lead into Avaloren, there is no possible conceivable connection between the two conceptually, I think.

Could be that after Fyrakks death, Iridikron shows up from wherever he went. And then the next expansion plot is revealed to us.

[Magistrate]

That fits his plans, since the elemental planes are a titan construct.

Actually yeah, I agree. I'm assuming he would somehow want to destroy the planes to return everything to the way it was when the elemental lords were free, and fucking with the world pillar could make sense as part of that.

I do wonder if he's enough of a power-hungry villain to not want to share that control with them, though.

[Sondrelk]

Could be that after Fyrakks death, Iridikron shows up from wherever he went. And then the next expansion plot is revealed to us.

That could be a possibility.

Regardless I think that and BfA isn't necessarily equivalent here. In BfA the Azerite was just an impetus for a faction war storyline that was already ready to begin, and a location that was hotly anticipated.
From the sounds of it the announcement would have to tiptoe around basically everything about Avaloren besides the location and what we can expect to find. With the announcers effectively having to tell everyone that things might start to make sense the next week.

[Joszef Kiprich]

Now that I think of it, Teriz might have a point.
World revamp INCLUDING the added Cata zones!

Archaeology also renewed. Through archaeology (Secrets of Azeroth style) we come to know more and more about Avaloren. Getting tossed between Titans good or Titans bad.

[Magistrate]

Could be that after Fyrakks death, Iridikron shows up from wherever he went. And then the next expansion plot is revealed to us.

Tbh I think it would be wiser to let Iridikron stew for a bit, as well. If he's too much of a central theme we get thematic fatigue really quickly. This is a lesson from many different expansions.

[Pheraz]

Could be that after Fyrakks death, Iridikron shows up from wherever he went. And then the next expansion plot is revealed to us.

This is also my prob with a "beyond the storms" expansion. Previous story bits much more point towards the void.
We got the mount. That's it. As I previously said it could be a void storm rider or a dwarf who knows but it's not clear that it points towards the main theme or one of the main themes of the next xpac, IMO

[Delever]

Tbh I think it would be wiser to let Iridikron stew for a bit, as well. If he's too much of a central theme we get thematic fatigue really quickly. This is a lesson from many different expansions.

That is also a possibility. Honestly at this point I admit that I got nothing as a lead minus a few breadcrumps here and there that are not necessarily anything conclusive. My hope would be a world revamp where basically the entirety of azeroth becomes a bit more evergreen with world events added etc etc. That would just be so cool. That and more class specs with more class specific visual customization while more classes gradually unlock for all races.

[Teriz]

You don't know that green dragon isn't connected to avaloren, it's merely a hint.

More than likely its just a story related to 10.2 since it involves both Green Dragons and Tyr.

[Delever]

This is also my prob with a "beyond the storms" expansion. Previous story bits much more point towards the void.
We got the mount. That's it. As I previously said it could be a void storm rider or a dwarf who knows but it's not clear that it points towards the main theme or one of the main themes of the next xpac, IMO

Fair point. Its all speculation atm.

[Magistrate]

There is no main story where you meet him.

The megadungeon.

[Myrrh]

Could be that after Fyrakks death, Iridikron shows up from wherever he went. And then the next expansion plot is revealed to us.

The other thing is, we know we have a 10.2.5 hot on the tail of 10.2, with the vendor build already alive and buzzing. Given the explicit use of these patches to advance Dragonflight's story, we may not actually see the linkage story beat until that patch rather than in the raid/campaign finale.

[Jaggler]

Could be that after Fyrakks death, Iridikron shows up from wherever he went. And then the next expansion plot is revealed to us.

I think it is Tyr, that establishes the Link into the other expansion. It would be a bit weird for Iridrikon to just appear, say some villain lines and then disappear again (but it would be very LK in WotLK-like)

I think it is Tyr's story that establishes the ongoing story, past DF. It could be that the Discs which we try to retrieve from the Nighthold which hold the memories of Tyr (and not some edited records) reveal the other side of Azeroth to us and how to get there.

[Echil46]

That one went over your head didn't it?

Not really, i did get the joke, and answered alike
But i do find it funny that you'd open the vault only to find the most tech savy little gnomes locked in. How underwhelming would it be for the people claimoring for Tinkers to finally get them, and they're incapables to salvage anything to get out of a heavy tech room.

BUT. I wasn't a big fan of Tinkers as a class concept, but if you introduce them as a group of characters that ended up locked up in a Titan vault, and managed to escape by tinkering, scrapping away and learning how to use the titan technology.. I'd play them, and they wouldn't be locked behind gnomes or gobelins.

[Shadochi]

Was contemplating on saying this since its 3rd hand info (so take it as you will).
Over the weekend I got 3rd hand confirmation (colleague of an ex-colleague type of thing) that the Features Overview screens are real.
As I said take this with a 50kg bag of salt since its literally a "friend of a friend" situation.(Even I am not taking it 100% for serious)
Tbh if true then I am a bit disappointed at least from the small subarea we can see of each zone. The wasteland one looks cool, but others are very basic.

[Magistrate]

That is also a possibility. Honestly at this point I admit that I got nothing as a lead minus a few breadcrumps here and there that are not necessarily anything conclusive. My hope would be a world revamp where basically the entirety of azeroth becomes a bit more evergreen with world events added etc etc. That would just be so cool. That and more class specs with more class specific visual customization while more classes gradually unlock for all races.

This and a wholesale consolidation of race selection at character creation is what me and my guildies keep coming back to.

When I think about Avaloren I honestly just don't get excited. Maybe I will if more stuff gets seeded about it (assuming we don't go there in 11.0) I will feel differently.

But right now, what gets me excited and most people I talk to, is a good, solid revamp, evergreen, modern content in revamped zones, class cosmetic options for all on the level of the new Druid stuff or Warlock stuff, and just story that feels tied to things we keep asking about, which more often than not is about geopolitical intrigue.

[Delever]

I think it is Tyr, that establishes the Link into the other expansion. It would be a bit weird for Iridrikon to just appear, say some villain lines and then disappear again (but it would be very LK in WotLK-like)

I think it is Tyr's story that establishes the ongoing story, past DF. It could be that the Discs which we try to retrieve from the Nighthold which hold the memories of Tyr (and not some edited records) reveal the other side of Azeroth to us and how to get there.

I actually kinda like this ngl. I love the speculation around the expansion so far.