Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[artam]

Was contemplating on saying this since its 3rd hand info (so take it as you will).
Over the weekend I got 3rd hand confirmation (colleague of an ex-colleague type of thing) that the Features Overview screens are real.
As I said take this with a 50kg bag of salt since its literally a "friend of a friend" situation.(Even I am not taking it 100% for serious)
Tbh if true then I am a bit disappointed at least from the small subarea we can see of each zone. The wasteland one looks cool, but others are very basic.

Oh boy, I hope some of you friends are like some of mine, I spend a lot of salt with them.

[milkmustache]

Yeah, like i honestly don't care that much about next exepansion theme anymore, i will wait to see the features, but since i saw this leak with this new race im like "fuck no" because i know blizzard might choose to go this way if leak happens to be real.

For people that don't care about ogres or mok'nathal it's nothing if some avaloren offshoot of ogres gets added, but as a fan with a lot of hopium for one of original ones to appear for years and years, it would pretty much a final nail in the coffin.

I don't know if I would particularly play an ogre or Mok'nathal, but specifically in the cases of ogres, to introduce a new race that is seemingly a replacement for the race is just more of the same new lore/races that take us further away from the original feel of the world.

[KyleEverett]

Oh man..... Let's hope those screens are just a little part of the xpac
I just subbed for one year xD someone please send me a brain

There's a reason I refuse to sub for 6-12 months this expansion haha. I'm limping along to finish the warden set and likely taking a break skipping fated.

[doledippers]

that is a big yikes from me, then. see you guys in 3 years

imagine deciding u arent gonna play an expansion based on unconfirmed low res screenshots that show 1 section of a few zones

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Except Dragon Isles was a long standing location that we've heard about for years, and it was cut content from Vanilla.

A story about a green dragon flying west into the unknown against Tyr's wishes doesn't really mean anything. It could be as simple as symbolism of the dragons disobeying Tyr.

The dragon isle was literally nothing but a wc2 map and a single picture of a old god temple on an island, it was not a “long standing location” and wrathion mentioning it in BFA was the only time it became any thing more and even then it was still all of nothing.

So no it didn’t mean any more then the book about The green dragon and was just as likely to be in 8.3 as where ever that dragon went is to be in 10.2.

[Shadochi]

What I'm about to say may sound snarky and it's 100% not intended to. But:

I love how violently honest you're being about this. Like you heard something, but are self-acknowledging it may have been total BS. But you're still excited so you want to talk about it. I think I'd do the same thing lol.

The only thing that's really exciting about those initial 4 slides (to me) is the new race. Otherwise yea, feel like the zones look samey. All of that said, it's just four small stills. There's a lot more that could be behind it.


My #1 concern for this expansion is that we've entered a "formulaic" almost FFXIV like cadence where we get: 8 dungeons, 3 raids, and new zones that are just variants of "go chase the rare".

I think the vaulks + ring addition was an absolute blast. I'd love to see more and more content like that.

Yeah I do realize I'm putting my name on the line as well with what I say so just want to make sure that the flow of information is understood.

And for the people that might not have been present in the previous hype thread for DF, or have forgot, I did mention that at the time I was working in MS (switched jobs at the start of this year).


And I agree, the template expansion is my biggest fear from zone pics

[Foolicious]

I was leaning more towards them being fake after the Taliesin video - he made some good points and knows people at Blizzard. But he has also said that real leaks are bad. It is possible he was deflecting for the sake of friends he has at Blizzard.

I mean he is kinda right with his point that it has everything we speculate about and that never worked out in our favor. I get that we run out of places to go, so avaloren seems like the only choice, but there are so many open storylines from previous expansions that haven't been touched yet, so its weird that all the leaks always circle around the same three things. (could also be a sign that it may be true, like almost every leak last time was about the dragon isles, but i just don't think its avaloren)

[Dioporco]

Was contemplating on saying this since its 3rd hand info (so take it as you will).
Over the weekend I got 3rd hand confirmation (colleague of an ex-colleague type of thing) that the Features Overview screens are real.
As I said take this with a 50kg bag of salt since its literally a "friend of a friend" situation.(Even I am not taking it 100% for serious)
Tbh if true then I am a bit disappointed at least from the small subarea we can see of each zone. The wasteland one looks cool, but others are very basic.

any link to the post?

[Kiria]

imagine deciding u arent gonna play an expansion based on unconfirmed low res screenshots that show 1 section of a few zones

This is a feeling thats felt by lot of players, even my guildies scoffed at the images when I linked them and just said its more of the same.

[Murlocos]

If they are real, then it's kind of funny/grim that two expansions in a row will have had genuine leaks that received a lot of skepticism because many people thought they looked too bad to be real.

[letgoit]

Housing or some equivalent is an option, though would be weird to have it on the opposite side of the planet compared to where we usually are.
That kind of feature feels like it should be as close to Stormwind and Orgrimmar as possible to make it feel evergreen no matter the expansion. Having it in Avaloren or whatever would make it feel like Garrisons in having it tied to an old expansion.

Housing is never, ever, ever, ever going to happen and I'm so sick of reading about it.

[doledippers]

This is a feeling thats felt by lot of players, even my guildies scoffed at the images when I linked them and just said its more of the same.

yea its fine to think the screenshots look boring, because they are. but atleast see what the fuckin features r lmao

[Kiivar86]

If they are real, then it's kind of funny/grim that two expansions in a row will have had genuine leaks that received a lot of skepticism because many people thought they looked too bad to be real.

People always doubt leaks to varying degrees though, really.

Some people bought the masks that Blizzard hastily added to try and hide the Worgen and Goblin ones for Catalcysm, people refused to believe the title Mists of Pandaria when that leaked, there was that whole thing about "Bolvar's flame is the wrong color" too for Shadowlands.

Time honored tradition.

[Ferlion]

This is a feeling thats felt by lot of players, even my guildies scoffed at the images when I linked them and just said its more of the same.

Again, I still think fake.

But Why wouldn't I want moer of the same game I've played for the last 20 years? I'm still playing it now.

[Kiria]

yea its fine to think the screenshots look boring, because they are. but atleast see what the fuckin features r lmao

Thats my plan, I want to see what else the game will feature before I decide if its worth my time or not

Again, I still think fake.

But Why wouldn't I want moer of the same game I've played for the last 20 years? I'm still playing it now.

Must admit, I've gotten bored and not logged in for a few days, found myself playing through the Yakuza series (Excellent games btw).

[Shadochi]

People always doubt leaks to varying degrees though, really.

Some people bought the masks that Blizzard hastily added to try and hide the Worgen and Goblin ones for Catalcysm, people refused to believe the title Mists of Pandaria when that leaked, there was that whole thing about "Bolvar's flame is the wrong color" too for Shadowlands.

Time honored tradition.

Honestly I still love that moment after we saw the cinematic at Blizzcon when Ion said "now you see why the flame is that color"

[Murlocos]

People always doubt leaks to varying degrees though, really.

Some people bought the masks that Blizzard hastily added to try and hide the Worgen and Goblin ones for Catalcysm, people refused to believe the title Mists of Pandaria when that leaked, there was that whole thing about "Bolvar's flame is the wrong color" too for Shadowlands.

Time honored tradition.

I'm talking doubt in a leak specifically stemming from thinking that what's shown looks too low quality to be real. Genuine disbelief that it's something that Blizzard would make. The Dracthyr reaction was a lot more intense, but the Avaloren leak doesn't seem to be thrilling many people.

[Kiivar86]

Honestly I still love that moment after we saw the cinematic at Blizzcon when Ion said "now you see why the flame is that color"

Yeah that was amusing.

I'm talking doubt in a leak specifically stemming from thinking that what's shown looks too low quality to be real. Genuine disbelief that it's something that Blizzard would make. The Dracthyr reaction was a lot more intense, but the Avaloren leak doesn't seem to be thrilling many people.

Fair enough.

While not Dracthyr, I was one of the ones trying to figure out how the watcher (Koronos or whatever his name is) was fake, as I recall. I remember spending some time here at work using MS Paint to zoom in and shit, even, heh.

[Dioporco]

Honestly I still love that moment after we saw the cinematic at Blizzcon when Ion said "now you see why the flame is that color"

which Overview Features?

[Teriz]

The dragon isle was literally nothing but a wc2 map and a single picture of a old god temple on an island, it was not a “long standing location” and wrathion mentioning it in BFA was the only time it became any thing more and even then it was still all of nothing.

Yeah, but it was known as the possible homeland of WoW's dragons. Further we were familiar with draconic characters like Wrathion, Chromie, Alexstraza, Nozdormu, Ysera, and Kalecogos, having fought alongside them multiple times over the years. As soon as it was brought into the lore we instantly knew we were going to see storylines involving the dragonflights, which is exactly what happened. Why? because we knew the characters.

That's the character hook. In WoW expansions you get the lore hook, the character hook, or in rare cases both.

Who are the characters connecting us to Avaloren? We don't even know who or what the denizens of this continent are. So yeah, it has NO hooks, which would be a first for a WoW expansion, and a bad sign for its 20th anniversary expansion.

So no it didn’t mean any more then the book about The green dragon and was just as likely to be in 8.3 as where ever that dragon went is to be in 10.2.

Again, the Dragon Isles is a location that has long been known to the WoW fanbase. The Dragon Isles is a homeland to major characters we've known for years, so that pushes the players to go with them to their found homeland.

We have no idea where that Green Dragon went to. Saying that its connected to Avaloren is nothing more than wild speculation based on zero evidence.