Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Mrpms]

I'm all hopped up on NyQuil and no longer have self control. Heard from a drunk friends at a Halloween party about the theme of the expansion.

Is set in Avaloren, Tyr is the one that opens the way for us. Azeroth is considered to be the strongest of world souls because it's actually twin world souls in the planet. The Titans took over Azeroth, while Life and the Void got their hands on Avaloren. Neither has full a majority control and is working in tandem. Elune and a fifth old god working in secret together. Tyr stumbled across the info, and helped remove all mention to keep it safe as he saw that cooperation is possible opposed to an eternity of conflict. Tyr had Nozdormu erase evidence of Avaloren by changing small parts of the time ways, and was made to forget, which set it motion the cracks that would lead to Murozond.

With Tyr coming back, so did his knowledge of the place. Odyn finds Tyr's secret and is furious and gets his Halls ready for war. Tyr escapes Odyn with the help of the newly empowered dragonflights and sets up a plan for going to Avaloren with the help of other mortal races. Turalyon, Alleria and Wrathion featured heavily, with a changed Anduin making a return but not for the throne. Khaz Algar is home to the descendents of titan keepers that willingly accepted the curse of flesh, and they are dwarf like in features but as big as Kul Titans. Also new races such as a owl like race (Strigs), a mouse race (Rodenian) and a new K'Thir subspecies, populate Avaloren.

And now that my fever dream is over, I will sleep until blizzcon

[Holdodlig]

Leftmost guy...Loki s02e01

It's actually a teaser of the new playable race. Guy's just in cosplay.

[KyleEverett]

I'm all hopped up on NyQuil and no longer have self control. Heard from a drunk friends at a Halloween party about the theme of the expansion.

Is set in Avaloren, Tyr is the one that opens the way for us. Azeroth is considered to be the strongest of world souls because it's actually twin world souls in the planet. The Titans took over Azeroth, while Life and the Void got their hands on Avaloren. Neither has full a majority control and is working in tandem. Elune and a fifth old god working in secret together. Tyr stumbled across the info, and helped remove all mention to keep it safe as he saw that cooperation is possible opposed to an eternity of conflict. Tyr had Nozdormu erase evidence of Avaloren by changing small parts of the time ways, and was made to forget, which set it motion the cracks that would lead to Murozond.

With Tyr coming back, so did his knowledge of the place. Odyn finds Tyr's secret and is furious and gets his Halls ready for war. Tyr escapes Odyn with the help of the newly empowered dragonflights and sets up a plan for going to Avaloren with the help of other mortal races. Turalyon, Alleria and Wrathion featured heavily, with a changed Anduin making a return but not for the throne. Khaz Algar is home to the descendents of titan keepers that willingly accepted the curse of flesh, and they are dwarf like in features but as big as Kul Titans. Also new races such as a owl like race (Strigs), a mouse race (Rodenian) and a new K'Thir subspecies, populate Avaloren.

And now that my fever dream is over, I will sleep until blizzcon

This is some fun stuff. Strig would be cool I'll admit.

[Chickat]

In five days we will know what the next expansion is, and currently what I expect from the audience if they re eal Avaloren is a big "where?"

It will probably look cool, and you would get all kinds of interesting reasons to go there, but you couldn't use the actual game ot really justify it. Saying that players would have known if they read this one fluff text in the one dungeon that I imagine most players may have run once or twice over half a year ago isn't going to cut it.
Even worse would be to expect players to know because they keep up with speculation, or worse expect players to spoil story beats by reading the stuff on the PTR.

The most likely reason for us to go to Khaz Algar currently is a potential rebellion against the Titans plotline, which has not been introduced to the players in the game yet. Meaning that the hypothetical reveal would be a whole lot of:
"For reasons you will uncover in the next patch", "raid which will be revealed at a later date", "you will help them with their unspecified problems".
Basically a whole lot of nothing over some pretty pictures.

Later patches in WoW would then have to fill in the various blanks of why going to Khaz Algar makes sense. Why Titan keepers are bad. Or even what the area is, and why we have not gone there yet.

The audience are hardcore nerds. Most players don't care as long as it looks cool and has good features. Not sure why you guys don't understand that.

[Nyel]

Imagine housing as the only new gameplay feature, this would be the lamest thing ever since garrisons, especially with housing being a fluff feature at best. Two races they just pulled out of their asses won’t help either. The next expansion needs not only a great story hook, but also something for long-term gameplay that keeps player going.

[Teriz]

Christ, this AI bs is exhausting...

Part of me just wants to check out until Fri...

I’m with you dude. AI saps the fun out of this completely.

[Chickat]

Did somebody say new giraffe model!??!

We can all be Toys R Us kids.

[Hitei]

I’m with you dude. AI saps the fun out of this completely.

Pot, kettle, etc.

[Ebonn]

The audience are hardcore nerds. Most players don't care as long as it looks cool and has good features. Not sure why you guys don't understand that.

It’s the same every expansion cycle lol, I don’t think they will ever learn

[kavikor]

Imagine housing as the only new gameplay feature, this would be the lamest thing ever since garrisons, especially with housing being a fluff feature at best. Two races they just pulled out of their asses won’t help either. The next expansion needs not only a great story hook, but also something for long-term gameplay that keeps player going.

i think to some players housing wouldn't be a lame fluff feature, it could become one of the primary means of gameplay.

for me i don't like collection stuff very much, I like to get 3-5 transmogs and 1 or 2 mounts i like and i basically dont collect anything until something i think looks cool comes out again

if i had housing and could decorate a place with all this stuff im collecting, trophies from bosses, an armory full of all the tier i like? id be doing all of it, because that visual and that space that i could share with friends means more to me than filling out a log or achievement points

[Picle]

I don't see how those things are equivalent.

Character customization isn't playable, repeatable content.
Player housing is, and it would make me add another 1k hours to my playtime counter just on that feature alone.

while i agree they aren't 1:1, i spend a loooot of time customizing characters w/ new looks, which then sends me in many directions to get pieces to make a matching outfit

it is very much content for me, considering all of the possible race/class combinations we have now

just recently i created + leveled a NE warlock with the dark ranger look which was a lot of fun this month !

[Polybius]

Do you know how many pages we usually average before blizzcon? Im interested to see if its similar every time or if engagement on this site has fallen ofer time with the popularity of wow.

It's been quite low compared to other threads. Half of Legion's to be exact. Then again, this leak season has been dry with esteem low after BFA and SL. At least the other chunk is hanging out in Classic+.

[Arcinatoss]

Dude, I'm actually like a crack addict coming back here every odd minute just refreshing, itching for that real leak that will come real soon... surely...

[kavikor]

Dude, I'm actually like a crack addict coming back here every odd minute just refreshing, itching for that real leak that will come real soon... surely...

me too i love leak season!

[Chickat]

I would argue that every announcement needs a big hook. Something for the announcers to point to and say "be excited for this".
Usually this is either the location being exciting, like BfA or WoD. Or the plot being exciting, like Legion.

Avaloren and Khaz Algar currently has neither. The best they can do is make it look pretty and go from there.
It doesn't have narrative buildup for the location, or why we should go there. It doesn't have any known characters to build around.

The best reason I saw to go there is a colonization plotline where the Alliance and Horde are looking for new places to settle, though even that would make much more sense after some buildup, which means a world revamp.

You dont know what the plot for Avaloren will be lmao. You are grasping at straws. You just dont want it.

[Raetary]

I’m sorry but if you hate wow and expansions this much, why not quit?

You are presuming quite a bunch there.

I don't hate wow.
I never said i hated wow.
Quite frankly, i don't think i could hate wow even if i tried.

I'm sharing my displeasure and critizising Blizzard for repeating the same premise for the 3rd time, and this time for the second time in a row.
And i'm fucking allowed to do so.

[Merryck]

2211 is a nice number.

Damn I didn't even get to post on it.

[Chickat]

I suppose this is true. Though even Legion had the buildup with the end of WoD.

Iridikron being on Avaloren seems a bit weak as a hook to me.

There could be an even bigger hook in 10.2.5 for all you know. Let them cook.

[Nyel]

i think to some players housing wouldn't be a lame fluff feature, it could become one of the primary means of gameplay.

for me i don't like collection stuff very much, I like to get 3-5 transmogs and 1 or 2 mounts i like and i basically dont collect anything until something i think looks cool comes out again

if i had housing and could decorate a place with all this stuff im collecting, trophies from bosses, an armory full of all the tier i like? id be doing all of it, because that visual and that space that i could share with friends means more to me than filling out a log or achievement points

It will be like with pet battles. It‘s nice to have, but it doesn’t keep players playing and subscribers subbed. It’s a side activity to all the usually PvE / PvP stuff. I’m not saying housing has no fans out there, but as the main new feature it will inevitably fall flat. WoW is about combat and in that regard every expansion needs something. Dragonflight was already missing something in that regard (borrowed power re-imagined), a second expansion without it? A hard pass.

[Ebonn]

You are presuming quite a bunch there.

I don't hate wow.
I never said i hated wow.
Quite frankly, i don't think i could hate wow even if i tried.

I'm sharing my displeasure and critizising Blizzard for repeating the same premise for the 3rd time, and this time for the second time in a row.
And i'm fucking allowed to do so.

Guess you ignored the rest of my post huh? the part where I said “I understand your feelings and I’m not attacking you <3”

Also the parts how I agreed they were just another island adventures, except I said more than 3.

Okay