Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Ferlion]

some people just love being paladins

I just think watching Forsaken die is neat.

It could just as easily be a bunch of Druids in bearform killing Forsaken. Bears vs Zombies is a fun concept.

Which, you know what?

I really miss the old Sci-Fi channel movies, because I'd bet Cocaine Bear vs Zombies would be a thing

[Enrif]

No, that's just synth in general. Synthwave is an invented variation from the mid-2000s that uses the 80s as a partial inspiration.



Those could just as easily be from the Trading Post in the future, or part of some other cross-promotion.

Well, details aside, it is obviously an reference to the 80s, especially with the thrall image.

I don't think those two sets would be for a simple cross promotions. especially the lo'ghosh set which was only every seen in comics and as an alternate skins vor varian in HotS

[Nyel]

I do agree with you abt borrowed power, as much as i love housing and content like that i also really want a power system to hook me in again that i can grind for and customize

I just dont expect it cause blizzard went the opposite direction after SL and the community backlash against borrowed power, they just completely got rid of it and idk if they have plans to bring it back or not even in a more tempered state

Just imagine this: we’re getting nothing for combat in the next expansion. No borrowed power, no special stuff like Heart of Azeroth or whatever. We would have the exact same gameplay then like in Dragonflight. Sorry, three new talents simply won’t cut it. The only time gameplay didn’t progress drastically was with WoD when all we’ve got was the terrible Draenor perks. Every expansion needs something related to combat / class gameplay that makes it different from the expansion before.

[KyleEverett]

I know it's unpopular, but I loved my Garrison. My long standing believe if you gave WoD M+ it'd be far more fondly remembered.

[Enrif]

imagine if it was a pre-order for the time travel expansion that takes us back, but only slightly back, to where Sylvanas was still cool and Varion wasnt back yet

altho if we got classic+ featuring Lo'gosh somehow that'd be a cool cross promo item

i think the slightly back part could be true. I mean, Thrall and Jaina are featured in those music lists, the biggest horde and alliance leaders after WC3 ended and before WoW started.

[Chickat]

On a scale of 1-10, how likely is it that the reveal on Friday is that the expansion is about Avaloren?

7 out of 10 it is.

[Ersula]

apparently the next months trading post will be cosmic, also i think these two sets are not assigned to the tradingposts, or were at least not identified to be part of it.

Nothing on the Trading Post is a surprise really, right? It's all been datamined beforehand. I don't know anything upcoming that's particularly cosmic. It probably just means the monthly reward is the felreaver motorcycle.

[NikolaiShade]

Just imagine this: we’re getting nothing for combat in the next expansion. No borrowed power, no special stuff like Heart of Azeroth or whatever. We would have the exact same gameplay then like in Dragonflight. Sorry, three new talents simply won’t cut it. The only time gameplay didn’t progress drastically was with WoD when all we’ve got was the terrible Draenor perks. Every expansion needs something related to combat / class gameplay that makes it different from the expansion before.

Ok, I agree with you, but we are the minority (apparently). When there was borrowed power I only heard complains about it. If I were a Blizzard dev I would have done the same thing, remove it and see how things go

[kavikor]

Just imagine this: we’re getting nothing for combat in the next expansion. No borrowed power, no special stuff like Heart of Azeroth or whatever. We would have the exact same gameplay then like in Dragonflight. Sorry, three new talents simply won’t cut it. The only time gameplay didn’t progress drastically was with WoD when all we’ve got was the terrible Draenor perks. Every expansion needs something related to combat / class gameplay that makes it different from the expansion before.

completely agree with this take, actually, i hope we get some kind of system to change the flow

[Vakir]

Well, details aside, it is obviously an reference to the 80s, especially with the thrall image.

I don't think those two sets would be for a simple cross promotions. especially the lo'ghosh set which was only every seen in comics and as an alternate skins vor varian in HotS

That's exactly why it would be a promotion. The picks they do are usually cool but non-essential.

"Jaina and Thrall are older leaders!" in the other post is equally irrelevant, they're two of the four most ubiquitous and popular characters alongside Arthas and Illidan. So you get a rep for both factions and something relevant to the current content for the third iteration. Jaina's presence with the Lo-Fi Beats to Chill To is just a meme of the popular channel of the same concept, right down to the pose and genre.

completely agree with this take, actually, i hope we get some kind of system to change the flow

Glyph expansion would be the way to go. Altering spells to function differently but without the RNG chasing element of things like conduits. Minor glyphs heavily expanded for racial/"sub-class" aesthetic changes of existing abilities.

AP grind style borrowed power returning would be a disaster. You think you do, but you don't.

[kavikor]

Ok, I agree with you, but we are the minority (apparently). When there was borrowed power I only heard complains about it. If I were a Blizzard dev I would have done the same thing, remove it and see how things go

i think there were a ton of complaints and they took it to heart and didnt include anything but not having that system has actually drastically lowered my playtime and enjoyment of PVE content and has stopped me from diving into other types of content, like grinding my essences in pvp and stuff

maybe we needed a break from borrowed power for people to realize they want something, or maybe blizzard had to find ways to make it less of a grind but i dont think borrowed power has to be as awful as people felt it was if blizzard just designs the grind better, so that players don't have to play X amount of time to be invited to raid.

[Trazzle]

apparently the next months trading post will be cosmic, also i think these two sets are not assigned to the tradingposts, or were at least not identified to be part of it.

And why do we think this???

Isn’t it likely that it’s the Tanaris wastelanders set (or what ever it was called) that was datamined a few weeks ago?

[Nightshade711]

could be related to the expansion! Void/Titan cosmetics?

Could be. They seem to be theming the trading post around things happening that month.

Definitely see the next expansion being void/titan themed with how the story is progressing. (Or, as Scaleface said it could be void expansion -> titan expansion)

[fcwar]

And why do we think this???

Isn’t it likely that it’s the Tanaris wastelanders set (or what ever it was called) that was datamined a few weeks ago?

Blizzard literally said its going to be:
(Article) November’s Trading Post is Positively Cosmic

[Nightshade711]

And why do we think this???

Isn’t it likely that it’s the Tanaris wastelanders set (or what ever it was called) that was datamined a few weeks ago?

Because it says in the weekly news thing that next trading post will be cosmic.

(Article) November’s Trading Post is Positively Cosmic

[kavikor]

It's a non-zero possibility, there's just tons of different pieces of evidence for all kinds of different ideas and people looking for patterns will find them.

The Trading Post did a lot of obfuscating on top of AI. Imagine if we got, say, the Kul Tiras sets from BFA datamined early as before, but the Trading Post existed. It would be one less piece of evidence that was definitive.

I'm mostly just speculating for fun, i doubt it will actually be related to any of that

[Nibelheimy]

Going by how poor the dracthyr and evokers are it's extremely likely they'll make tinkers like that.

New race which is a new mechaforged similar to the gnome styled ones we see in Ulduar.

Miniron actually made a secret vault and hid a failed experiment he could no longer control. They look like a mixture of goblins and gnomes but robotic.

The new race can only be tinker and only tinkers can be this race. They have a new 'unprecedented amount' of customizations, but it doesn't matter because whenever they're in combat they turn into the same mecha form that has 8 colour palettes to choose from that will match 0.01% of armour models they will make in the expansion. Luckily, they can only show shoulder slots and belts.

[Nyel]

Ok, I agree with you, but we are the minority (apparently). When there was borrowed power I only heard complains about it. If I were a Blizzard dev I would have done the same thing, remove it and see how things go

I mean, it musn‘t be borrowed power. I‘m advocating for several expansions now that WoW needs an ongoing progress system that is universally implemented and kept. Something in the vein of Elder Scrolls Online‘s Champion Points or whatever. Something in that regard that keeps the grinding/hardcore players challenged, that gives the normal player agenda and that is even something for the casual player. Artifact weapons should have been this with a natural evolution following in BfA and onwards. Yet they totally messed this up. But without something that is combat-related and class enhancing, every expansion will just be meh when it comes to the most important gameplay aspect of WoW: combat.

[justwatching]

I know it's unpopular, but I loved my Garrison. My long standing believe if you gave WoD M+ it'd be far more fondly remembered.

Honestly the issues with WoD were all about production. They just werent able to deliver on post launch content if WoD had the content pace of Legion it would be remembered very fondly.

[kavikor]

I mean, it musn‘t be borrowed power. I‘m advocating for several expansions now that WoW needs an ongoing progress system that is universally implemented and kept. Something in the vein of Elder Scrolls Online‘s Champion Points or whatever. Something in that regard that keeps the grinding/hardcore players challenged, that gives the normal player agenda and that is even something for the casual player. Artifact weapons should have been this with a natural evolution following in BfA and onwards. Yet they totally messed this up. But without something that is combat-related and class enhancing, every expansion will just be meh when it comes to the most important gameplay aspect of WoW: combat.

I think a paragon system or bringing back the idea of Artifact weapons, but as a longer form piece of content would be ideal as well.
Now every expansion you're going to get new abilities and powers for your Heart or Artifact, and you can earn them from these places.
Oh now we're in the void expansion and we're introducing "corrupted" powers or something, and now you get void themed stuff to slot into your artifact/heart.
Going into the druid expansion? Now there's powers to summon wolves when you cast your big cooldown that aid you, or birds that cut your enemies apart when you cast a dot.

But keep it all part of an evergreen progression system