Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Sondrelk]

xD hahaha

Did we ever have a theme we feared so much as dw0rf utopia?

Full Shadowlands maybe, at least for me. I was vehemently against it happening, and I was so disappointed when it came to pass.

[matijwow]

xD hahaha

Did we ever have a theme we feared so much as dw0rf utopia?

Fountains of beer? Streets lined with roast boar?

[Well Done Steak]

It's pretty weird that they said the reason the Dragon Isles reactivated was because Azeroth is "waking up" (thus Waking Shores), and we never hear anything about it again.

This is why I'm convinced we're finally meeting Azerith in 11.0. which means big cosmic goodies. Just like secrets of azerith hinted at.

[shade3891]

Going by how poor the dracthyr and evokers are it's extremely likely they'll make tinkers like that...

Evokers casting system always make me think of Gazlow Deathray HotS ability.

[Teriz]

That's not really how expansions have ever really worked.

Uh that’s how every expansion has worked.

TBC: Outland. Playable elves. Illidan. Legion
WotLK: Northrend. Lich King. Azjol Nerub. Death Knights.
Cataclysm: Deathwing. The Elemental Planes. The Aspects
MoP: Pandaria. Chen Stormstout. Playable Pandaren. Monks
WoD: non-demon Draenor. The old Orc leaders from WC1 and WC2.
Legion: The Burning Legion invasion. Illidan. Demon Hunters.
BFA: Kul Tiras. Zandalar. Nzoth. Azshara
SL: Shadowlands. Sylvanas. Bolvar. Various popular dead WC characters.
DI: Dragon Isles. Restoration of the flights. Various dragon characters (the aspects, Galakrond, Murazond). Evokers


Avaloren…. Nada.

[Mrpms]

Even if Avaloren is indeed the next expansion, Tyr doesn't want us to go there. In fact, he might even try to prevent us from going there. It's Odyn who will turn the key.

Odyn is the one that "turns the key" in a sense but it's Tyr that gets the mortal races there.

[Marlamin]

TBC: Playable elves.

pretty sure we had those in vanilla

Evokers casting system always make me think of Gazlow Deathray HotS ability.

I don't really mind the empowered casting tech there, I think they could do some more neat things with it.

[ercarp]

yo @ercarp How can you give 2.75 to this lol

Because it sounds sufficiently meh, I guess. No new class, no new support specs, no world revamp, no nothing. The big new feature is Garrison 2.0.

It appeals to the doomer side of my brain. But 2.75 is still pretty low...

[hattahat]

Odyn doesn’t want to go there either though. He never went there even though he knew where it was.

Odyn wanted to punish the heretics there, but he was first told to be patient. Then he was imprisoned in the Hall of Valor, where he was unable to do so. Now that he's free and knows there are others like Vyranoth who defy his will, it's not surprising that the hot-tempered man would attack Avaloren.

I'm kind of hoping if it is Avaloren we get a mini raid to bridge the gap and it's us killing Tyr.

Yeah, I think there's a good chance it could go that way.

[Samin]

I do believe the 4 pics are real just because I truly hate them and if I keep hoping they're not, I might be up for a huge disappointment. And I came to terms with the scissor fingers of that WotLK resolution stone dwarf, the pixelated tree model, everything. BUT.. I just can't get over the fact how this particular part of the picture looks like. Like wtf is that? Typical AI silhouette. Curious..

I'm 100% sure those are not AI generated. Not sure what you mean with "typical AI silhouette"? That looks pretty much like the updated gryphon model just kinda low LOD or it has modified wings.

That harpy model is afaik so far unused. Not sure how an AI would have any basis to incorporate that.

[Murlocos]

It's pretty weird that they said the reason the Dragon Isles reactivated was because Azeroth is "waking up" (thus Waking Shores), and we never hear anything about it again.

The more accurate question would be "what made Koranos wake up?" as he's the one that lights the beacon again, and that's where the whole confusion stems from. In the same vein, it's extremely apparent that the original plan was for the Isles to have been in some kind of stasis, they are literally coming back to life as the land is dark and lifeless in the cinematic. Then that got changed (but not entirely, because the Djaradin all went to sleep for no reason now), which led to the awkward realization that absolutely nothing happened in the Isles for 10,000 years.

Lots of just weird narrative issues like that. What was the point of the 3 year timeskip? Nothing happened during it, even stuff like the Forsaken heritage questline which is supposed to take place 3 years after the 9.2.5 return to Lordaeron feels like it's only a day or a week later. Then you have other material like Exploring Pandaria not lining up with it either. Personally, I think they did it just to claim everything in the wake of BfA was resolved offscreen, but of course that doesn't feel great.

[Nightshade711]

Uh that’s how every expansion has worked.

TBC: Outland. Playable elves. Illidan. Legion
WotLK: Northrend. Lich King. Azjol Nerub. Death Knights.
Cataclysm: Deathwing. The Elemental Planes. The Aspects
MoP: Pandaria. Chen Stormstout. Playable Pandaren. Monks
WoD: non-demon Draenor. The old Orc leaders from WC1 and WC2.
Legion: The Burning Legion invasion. Illidan. Demon Hunters.
BFA: Kul Tiras. Zandalar. Nzoth. Azshara
SL: Shadowlands. Sylvanas. Bolvar. Various popular dead WC characters.
DI: Dragon Isles. Restoration of the flights. Various dragon characters (the aspects, Galakrond, Murazond). Evokers


Avaloren…. Nada.

Most of those expansions we didn't know the hook until after announcement.
Unless you're saying we'd know that we're going to Kul Tiras or Zandalar after Sargeras stabbed the sword.
We sure as hell didn't know Garrosh was going to travel to an alternate Draenor to make a new horde that'd then somehow travel into the future to invade our future, alternate timeline (to them)

The same kinda stuff would apply to Avaloren. We'll know the hook by the announcement. (Hell, we can even come up with decent guesses by now)

[Ebonn]

pretty sure we had those in vanilla



I don't really mind the empowered casting tech there, I think they could do some more neat things with it.

Marlamin, what are you doing, you know Teriz knows everything, why are you questioning the infallible one?

[KurtMash]

Jokes aside, I know I shouldn't be reading too much into the warcraft beats they posted, but with the synthpop theme + suggestion of time magic invokes the feelings of nostalgia for the old world. I could see it being their way of preparing us for the revamp, or at least adding the old old-world back to the retail through Zidormi. After all, losing old world was one of the reasons many people disliked Cata, but now they have both the technology to have multiple versions of the same zone AND they got the old world data back, so nothing stops them from re-adding it to the retail, even if just for the sake of nostalgia.

[Vynestra]

I'm 100% sure those are not AI generated. Not sure what you mean with "typical AI silhouette"? That looks pretty much like the updated gryphon model just kinda low LOD or it has modified wings.

That harpy model is afaik so far unused. Not sure how an AI would have any basis to incorporate that.

People overestimate current AI capabilities.

The screenshots are likely real.

[keelr]

Blizz really did it this time, no actual leaks huh

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People overestimate current AI capabilities.

The screenshots are likely real.

People aren't saying its AI, they are saying its edited

[PotHockets]

Blizz really did it this time, no actual leaks huh

Chances are we already got the leak in text form but there's been so god damn many that it just blended into the rest

[BrattyCosine]

Most of those expansions we didn't know the hook until after announcement.
Unless you're saying we'd know that we're going to Kul Tiras or Zandalar after Sargeras stabbed the sword.
We sure as hell didn't know Garrosh was going to travel to an alternate Draenor to make a new horde that'd then somehow travel into the future to invade our future, alternate timeline (to them)

The same kinda stuff would apply to Avaloren. We'll know the hook by the announcement. (Hell, we can even come up with decent guesses by now)

I think he is saying there isn't any well known/well established lore to hook us in for Avaloren whereas all the other expansions had something from previous lore/expansions to hype it up.

[Darkarath]

I am the only one that is going to read War of the Scaleborn straight through as soon as it is available? Hope to get something interesting out of it.

[Raetary]

Blizz really did it this time, no actual leaks huh

We still got 4 days left.