Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[keelr]

So people are forced to buy books

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story team sucks ballz atm

ass take, but i agree with the current story teams sucking tho, but the book authors are not better either, prev 2 books were yikes

[Xilurm]

Funny because Warcraft 3 and TFT had better story than SL and BFA for sure

Well yeah this is a constant problem with how WoW tells its story. I used 90s as my example because that was only the start of when games started having more well thought out stories. Metal Gear Solid for example was a pioneer in cinematic storytelling.

[Rizin]

Errr, why did Alex lie to Vyranoth? If the eggs really had no chance of survival besides being taken in; wouldn't that be a good thing? At least they would have a chance at life.

It’s a little more complicated than that. She doesn’t so much lie, as she goes back in her word. Either way she doesn’t come out looking good.

Alexstraza makes the promise that they won’t convert all the eggs after Tyr commands them to take eggs from the wilds so there can be more ordered dragons. She then brings it up to the other aspects and they all discuss it. Ysera and Nozdormu are against doing it. Malygos and Neltharion agree with Tyr that the best way forward is to do it. Alexstraza ends up agreeing with Neltharion and Malygos out of the fear of what the Keepers will do to the aspects for not upholding their oaths to protecting Azeroth. They also get away with this for 200 or so years before Vyranoth finds out that Alexstraza went back on her promise because they don’t forcibly take the dragon eggs from the wild. The keeper constructs that are getting the eggs mostly go for abandoned eggs. So it’s all very hush hush.

[Makorus]

ass take, but i agree with the current story teams sucking tho, but the book authors are not better either, prev 2 books were yikes

How was Sylvanas a bad book?

You can hate SL as much as you want but it was a very good book and the worst thing you can say about it is that the content of it should have been included in the game in some form

[keelr]

Funny because Warcraft 3 and TFT had better story than SL and BFA for sure

I don't get why people dont appreciate BFA 8.0 storylines. Literally one of thes bests post-MoP.

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How was Sylvanas a bad book?

You can hate SL as much as you want but it was a very good book and the worst thing you can say about it is that the content of it should have been included in the game in some form

I forgot about that one, thought of SHadows Rising and Before the Storm

[ImTheMizAwesome]

Okay, but then it should come to no one’s surprise that WoW‘s storylines have been received poorly in the last years because all of their villains basically had no personality (that was portrayed in game). The Jailer had the exact same issue and now the Incarnates.

This worked with villains we knew long before / from other games (Deathwing, Arthas, etc.), but it absolutely does not work when your newest villain is completely faceless and acts like a cartoon villain.

agree.

When it comes to iridikron yeah i can say his design looks cool, but when it comes to the story so far almost 1 year later, his character just feels like jailer 2.0 right now with this "wait whole expansion and see, have some lines here and there" in game development.

The whole dynamic in the game when it comes to the incarnates just feels pretty empty and here you have in this new book something pretty cool that would be nice to see in game..

[Harbour]

Book characters dynamics should have absolutely been in the DF from the very start. Those dynamics could have make players to be at least somewhat more interested in dragon characters and plot of the game.
I hope Blizzard will manage the following expansion way better than that.

On other note, bring me Trading Post rewards before i piss myself!
Even though i doubt they will spoil anything at all.

[Kiria]

Why the hell do they put all of their storytelling into lore books and not in game so everybody can at least experience it? It‘s such a horrible take to have all these characters that make not much sense in game just to see they got a personality, but only when you’re consuming 100 different mediums for lore.

Agreed, I absolutely hate how some lore is gatekeeped behind other media, they should also make it available in game.

[Moth Preacher]

After the Blue Dragonflight questline I'm fairly certain they still can write and write decent, coherent. Too bad whatever writes and composes the main story and lore's cadence is a dogshite at their job

[Valysar]

I went to sleep on page 2219, I got up on page 2266, my god, anything new ?

[Neoplanet]

Book characters dynamics should have absolutely been in the DF from the very start. Those dynamics could have make players to be at least somewhat more interested in dragon characters and plot of the game.
I hope Blizzard will manage the following expansion way better than that.

On other note, bring me Trading Post rewards before i piss myself!
Even though i doubt they will spoil anything at all.

The "this week on wow" post said its a cosmic theme , so what itens probably can be ?

Also today they will post the tradind post blog

[Pheraz]

Still, it could potentially be a thing at this time for WoW.

They keep mentioning the "future of Warcraft", etc. And I remember Tom Chilton saying around 10 years ago that they had content for about a decade planned roughly.

So now that we will have dealt with most of Warcraft 3's legacy, including seeing pretty much all of the continents and meeting most of the significant lore characters, not to mention defeating Disorder, Death, and Shadow as they sought to conquer Azeroth, it makes sense if they're turning a page.

So if, for example, we are going to a whole new side of Azeroth, then I could see them wanting to give us a rough outline of what that side is like. What oceans does it have? What are the general shapes of the major continents? Is there a long-term big bad now that the old ones are gone?

I think they think that they need to make sure we know WoW has an exciting future over the next decade. Something to keep us chatting about what's next.

I agree with everything you said. Maybe I would assume out of this argument that the new page is rather the world revamp though. I know Tali said the same, that the new world is the other side but somehow I just can not imagine what themes they would use without creating copies of existing themes.

[Dracullus]

I don't get why people dont appreciate BFA 8.0 storylines. Literally one of thes bests post-MoP.

Post MoP? Suramar, Zandalar and Kul Tiras is best narrative WoW ever had. And only MoP is close to that. "Story" of TBC/Wrath is literally "member this villain/antihero who had good build up in RTS games? kill him".

After the Blue Dragonflight questline I'm fairly certain they still can write and write decent, coherent. Too bad whatever writes and composes the main story and lore's cadence is a dogshite at their job

That is common trend in WoW. Even Shadowlands and Draenor zones had decent side stories, but only time when main plot was both interesting and (relatively) coherent was Legion.

But it is logical, when you write side story you start with nothing and you can plan how it will end. If you write main story, you start with 30 years of mess (already retconed 5 times) and there is no end in sight.

[Dioporco]

ass take, but i agree with the current story teams sucking tho, but the book authors are not better either, prev 2 books were yikes

I mean i only read Knaak, Metzen and PRE DANUSER Golden books


The issue with wow storytelling atm is pretty simple



1. The story is bland and has "plothole"

2. Books try to fill the plotholes BUT ALSO are forced to "bend" towards the in-game story

so

3. You need in game lore + books to explain stuff that makes no sense but the books cant spoil the game so stay vague and bland

[Nyel]

I mean they just could have made one cinematic with all the Incarnate backstory. Or let every Incarnate have their own short video. They did this with Warbringers or during WoD. Would this have been too much? Because the Incarnates how they have been portrayed as of now (in game) are comically bad and uninteresting enemies.

[Neoplanet]

Post MoP? Suramar, Zandalar and Kul Tiras is best narrative WoW ever had. And only MoP is close to that. "Story" of TBC/Wrath is literally "member this villain/antihero who had good build up in RTS games? kill him".

Bfa could be so much better if :
They started with azerite essênces instead of armor
The narrative stayed of the same level of zandalar/kul tiras story
Pvp warfronts

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I mean they just could have made one cinematic with all the Incarnate backstory. Or let every Incarnate have their own short video. They did this with Warbringers or during WoD. Would this have been too much? Because the Incarnates how they have been portrayed as of now (in game) are comically bad and uninteresting enemies.

Probably we will get the 11.0 Warbringers , and i hope if its avalon explain better whatherver we are doing there

[Dioporco]

I don't get why people dont appreciate BFA 8.0 storylines. Literally one of thes bests post-MoP.

sorry but 8.0 is shit.

we needed SL to find out the purpose of that, and was even worse.

[Moth Preacher]

There are multiple ways to make coherent stories for those willing to listen

[Dioporco]

also the macro story fails always vs the micro story


Bobsalami Ghuun or Drust vs Kultirans >>>>>>>>>> Sylvanas burning the tree


also, drusts? forgotten.

tiragarde horde vs alliance story? fucking mess

[blaatschaap]

Drust epitomize wasted potential. Coolest new adversaries in a decade and they just abandon them. I had hopes they would tie in more with Ardenweald but they ended up halfassing even that. Thros sounded like a place that could fill an entire major content patch..