Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Makorus]

Even if Alex decided to shit on Sylvanas because she reminded him her ex.

Danuser still managed to write OR APPROVE :

1. BFA
2. Nzoth Storyline LMAO
3. Shadowlands
4. Jailer MEGAMIND 5CHESS PLAN to kill the current 20y old Lore
5. Spit on Arthas legacy like that


So...

Except Danuser didn't become Narrative Designer until 2020. At which point 9.0 definitely was already written.

also, lmao, spit on Arthas legacy.

[ercarp]

Taliesin has said that the blizzard narrative folks like Danuser because he's very open to them coming with ideas so this might not be too far from the truth..

I can kind of empathize with him if that's the case.

When someone comes to me all excited about an idea that I can tell isn't going to work, I just kind of go along with it. To me, that's preferable to ruining their day/week/month by shitting on something they're obviously passionate about.

[Harbour]

Metzen also isnt without the flaws.
He certainly self-inserted into Thrall role starting with Cata and continuing into WoD and forward, and wanted to make him settle with the wife and kids because he himself got those IRL and so on and so forward.
Imo Thrall character got hurt in the process.

[micwini]

Can't agree more with this. I also don't understand why they chose to tell this story through the Night Elves. I thought having a matriarchal society would be good, but instead they're trying to make them all equal. It was so preachy too, with Maiev mentioning multiple times how traditions had to change and even Tyrande herself sending you a mail writing the exact same thing. Men and women aren't equals in the Night Elven society and it should stay that way. /shrug

This 10 million times. I prefer having 10 bowls, each with candy in one different color, than 10 bowls all filled with the same mix of colors.

[NikolaiShade]

True, but he is also right. Notable mentions include:
- N'zoth tricked us and he's not dead. Could still happen but would be weird after we've had 2 expansions or more.
- The Primus is the actual Jailer

Tbh the Primus is the actual Jailer theory was just a little bit far fetched, about N'zoth, i mean if really they want to reveal he tricked us, they can do it any expansion, the later the better honestly

[ImTheMizAwesome]

Metzen and the old writing team just like everyone had their flaws, but i feel like even at its worst when it comes to writing, i still cared more than i cared about SL or hardly care right now about DF storytelling in many cases.

DF feels like a typical CW tv show when it comes to narrative, worldbuilding and such.

[Dioporco]

It's probably dangerous nowadays to say "no" when your writers come with the suggestion to add another token character or plotline to the story...

and it is even more dangerous to keep adding without concluding previous storylines made up to introduce token characters.

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They added : Muezala, Bobsamdi, Winter Queen - basically in the same Expac and gone

Drust in BFA and gone but to return in SL for......nothing?


What about if they made something like this :


Winter Queen is like Freya and Ardenweald is the opposite of Emerald Dream but both must exist to make the "cycle" of Death and Life to works properly, basically Emerald Dream is where everything blooms and grow but Ardenweald is where everything became "compost" for the new "life"

BUT Muezala/Gorak Thul/Drust are the one that wants everything to DECAY etc thus halting the "cycle"

We help WQ+Bobsamdi to counter them and we close the BFA Drustvar sub plot in SL.

And this will give us access to Drust Druid that are still Druids but are the counterparts of Nelf/Tauren druids



THEN


In Dragonflight we see again something similar but towards the DECAY MAGIC (the gnolls) and that will give us a glimpse of the Old God of Decay that was used to make Ghuun making a new sub plot without the issue of "but we never ended BFA/SL drust plot dude"

[Wangming]

Sad reality; in any corporate environment group politics can play a disproportionate role in promotions over actual skill and results.
If anything though, it means this is not Danuser's fault; the entire team is responsible.

Well if he IS the director so it is absolutely his fault. It's just his fault as a leader and not as a writer. it is a ridiculous assumption that the narrative director has no effect on the final product.

[Varodoc]

True, but he is also right. Notable mentions include:
- N'zoth tricked us and he's not dead. Could still happen but would be weird after we've had 2 expansions or more.

How is that a bad story development?

N'Zoth is literally the smartest Old God.

The bad story development is N'Zoth dying to a DBZ beam, just like that, with no further plans or contingencies, despite being the smartest Old God who always relies on plans and contingencies.

[Dioporco]

Lmao. That's a pretty hilarious take from someone who just finished suggesting Ardenweald should've been about how "Bobsamdi" ghosted the Winter Queen after they hooked up.

Well that was headcanon since WQ reaction about Bobsamdi and Bobsamdi talking about "love" it is clear they had some backstory

[Hitei]

True, but he is also right. Notable mentions include:
- N'zoth tricked us and he's not dead. Could still happen but would be weird after we've had 2 expansions or more.
- The Primus is the actual Jailer

He's not right. Because I've sat through enough threads to know that the majority of proposed lore changes that come out of the playerbase are abject trash. Notable mentions include every video ever made by Pyromancer, Teriz arguing that Tinkers are a good fit for Shadowlands because ghostbuster anti-spirit technology should spearhead the fight, and Vorodoc insisting that the entire game's storyline should be about his elf obsession's mastery of the void.

[Beerplz]

I can kind of empathize with him if that's the case.

When someone comes to me all excited about an idea that I can tell isn't going to work, I just kind of go along with it. To me, that's preferable to ruining their day/week/month by shitting on something they're obviously passionate about.

Issue is you are feeding into their false sense of self worth or whatever. Hitting someone with the hard truth will always be better..
People should learn to accept the truth and learn from it , not be lied to just so they "feel" better

[Dioporco]

and it is even more dangerous to keep adding without concluding previous storylines made up to introduce token characters.

---------------------

They added : Muezala, Bobsamdi, Winter Queen - basically in the same Expac and gone

Drust in BFA and gone but to return in SL for......nothing?


What about if they made something like this :


Winter Queen is like Freya and Ardenweald is the opposite of Emerald Dream but both must exist to make the "cycle" of Death and Life to works properly, basically Emerald Dream is where everything blooms and grow but Ardenweald is where everything became "compost" for the new "life"

BUT Muezala/Gorak Thul/Drust are the one that wants everything to DECAY etc thus halting the "cycle"

We help WQ+Bobsamdi to counter them and we close the BFA Drustvar sub plot in SL.

And this will give us access to Drust Druid that are still Druids but are the counterparts of Nelf/Tauren druids



THEN


In Dragonflight we see again something similar but towards the DECAY MAGIC (the gnolls) and that will give us a glimpse of the Old God of Decay that was used to make Ghuun making a new sub plot without the issue of "but we never ended BFA/SL drust plot dude"

@Hitei here made a better sub plot than danuser and didnt had to make a joke about ghosting women

mad?

[Neoplanet]

Its only me , or the best questilines from DF comes from side quest

Blue DF , baine , human/orc/undead hereditage , time rifts , tyr (if you dont count human you need to not count undead too since its the same type of quest)

I mean , all of this quest is better than the 10.1 main questline

[Nymrohd]

Well if he IS the director so it is absolutely his fault. It's just his fault as a leader and not as a writer. it is a ridiculous assumption that the narrative director has no effect on the final product.

What I am saying is, if that is the case then the idea that things will change if Danuser leaves is not working because the rest of the team shares that same direction. You'd need a very strong hand.

[Hitei]

@Hitei here made a better sub plot than danuser and didnt had to make a joke about ghosting women

mad?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunnin...3Kruger_effect

[Wangming]

Tbh the Primus is the actual Jailer theory was just a little bit far fetched, about N'zoth, i mean if really they want to reveal he tricked us, they can do it any expansion, the later the better honestly

They could leave us with glitches in the matrix that tip us off to the truth. Much like how indoctrination theory for mass effect 3 has entire documentary series discussing all the hints and evidence.

Unfortunately, all we have now is: Surely it can't be this easy to get rid of him.

[Makorus]

How is that a bad story development?

N'Zoth is literally the smartest Old God.

The bad story development is N'Zoth dying to a DBZ beam, just like that, with no further plans or contingencies, despite being the smartest Old God who always relies on plans and contingencies.

It's bad story development because "It was a dream all along!" is the worst possible plot device ever.

[Dioporco]

Except Danuser didn't become Narrative Designer until 2020. At which point 9.0 definitely was already written.

also, lmao, spit on Arthas legacy.

1. "already written" and they changed stuff mid course so what the fuck are you talking about?

2. anybody that thinks "arthas in sl" was a well done part, should call his/her doctor

[micwini]

How is that a bad story development?

N'Zoth is literally the smartest Old God.

The bad story development is N'Zoth dying to a DBZ beam, just like that, with no further plans or contingencies, despite being the smartest Old God who always relies on plans and contingencies.

Im mentioned 2 instances of fan theories being superior (imo) to blizzards own writing. N'zoth tricking us indeed makes perfect sense. But the "it was all a dream" part of it would be more stupid the more expansions pass.
Him later on turning out to be inside the dagger would be masterful and could happen at any point