Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Joszef Kiprich]

Thank you. So not to completely do an 180 o the subject, which lose ends do you want to see in 11.0?
As mentioned, the Drust are very cool villains. Iridikron and Xal will surely make an appearance. So will the Decay storyline.

[Makorus]

Here is the ingame/inuniverse theory for his return. Seeing us from the future come back, he was able to know which of the many futures he could see would happen and prepare for it (prepare as fake his death when we come to kill him), so instead trying to stop us from killing him in Nyalotha and changing time, he could've played around it and shaped it to his liking while it happens in the same way and leads us going back there with Chromie.
I wouldnt be surprised to see more of him soon (especially if there are more old gods or similar on the other side)

I don't know.

It'd be another case of "No one is really dead!" which WoW is terrible for, combined with stupid time travelling.

[NikolaiShade]

Here is the ingame/inuniverse theory for his return. Seeing us from the future come back, he was able to know which of the many futures he could see would happen and prepare for it (prepare as fake his death when we come to kill him), so instead trying to stop us from killing him in Nyalotha and changing time, he could've played around it and shaped it to his liking while it happens in the same way and leads us going back there with Chromie.
I wouldnt be surprised to see more of him soon (especially if there are more old gods or similar on the other side)

and let's not forget the reference to the timeline by Iridikron and his voidy ally, presumably Xal'atath or someone else

yep, I'm pretty confident she is Knaifu, could be someone else but honestly Xal seems a safer bet

[Makorus]

Thank you. So not to completely do an 180 o the subject, which lose ends do you want to see in 11.0?
As mentioned, the Drust are very cool villains. Iridikron and Xal will surely make an appearance. So will the Decay storyline.

I'd love to see the Drust, and controversial, I would want to see a proper sendoff for some older characters. Khadgar is getting incredibly stale.

[micwini]

Let's get back on topic people. This isn't the Lore forum; it's a thread to discuss FUTURE content.

Discussing old content can definitely make sense where relevant, such as if you suggest that we may see N'zoth again and want to build some foundation for why, but let's stop the tangents about Danuser/Metzen and unfinished old story lines and what have you.

If you want to discuss whether Danuser is a good designer or not, make another thread.
If you want to discuss old story lines, make another thread (in the Lore forum).
etc.

Thanks

afaik we are discussing the future lore as in: Who's writing it, what the direction is, what needs to change, etc.
Yes there is some 'Danuser sucks' in there, but that just happens to come up in convo's like this.

[Azalar]

Friends shared this with me and it's sus. I hope Ethereals really aren't delegated to some trading meme in cons xD

[Lady Atia]

So I just started to read the new novel, haven't read spoilers yet but it's quite good so far! Kinda sad they they are only releasing it now, since it would have been perfect as the pre-expansion novel to actually hype up the Incarnates.

On interesting thing that popped up so far is Iridikrons lair (Harrowsdeep) - which should be either somewhere on Northrend or near it. Just wondering, if we get a world revamp next, that one would make a great location for a raid or dungeon since it's seemingly huge.

[micwini]

Thank you. So not to completely do an 180 o the subject, which lose ends do you want to see in 11.0?
As mentioned, the Drust are very cool villains. Iridikron and Xal will surely make an appearance. So will the Decay storyline.

I want them to tie up all loose ends in a world revamp expansion. After that, they should really go back towards starting and ending stories in the expansion they were created in. The only exception, where applicable, would be a small thread to lead into the next expansion.

[Joszef Kiprich]

I'd love to see the Drust, and controversial, I would want to see a proper sendoff for some older characters. Khadgar is getting incredibly stale.

Agreed, we could use a new guardian (no, not Med'an). Not someone like Khadgar but more like Medivh

[Myrrh]

Could have been lines that they never ended up putting into the game and already recorded during BFA. But we would have to ask @Marlamin how likely that would be.

Not that I want to spend much time on N'zoth lest it encourage the resident void fetishist, but.

One of said lines was also specifically making the point he looked into our past and was like hmm interesting. The implication being that he was dead until we engaged in time travel shenanigans and made the granddaddy of all butterfly effects. A cunning critter like that could figure out how to fake his death so as not to create a paradox that would prevent his saviours from teaching him how to avoid death, too. Presumably the dagger because Blizz very conveniently wrote squidman to set it on its otherwise nonsensical journey to Sylv > Azshara > Wrathion, which otherwise makes zero sense that he's set up his own stabbing.

I wouldn't call that a masterstroke of narrative writing, but I would call them absolute morons if they don't follow up on it because several BFA story beats make actually zero sense without it.

[NikolaiShade]

I'd love to see the Drust, and controversial, I would want to see a proper sendoff for some older characters. Khadgar is getting incredibly stale.

Iirc correctly Khadgar made an appearance in SL lamenting his old age, at the moment it reminded me of the old cop about to retire ready for his peaceful life in miami...

[Joszef Kiprich]

I want them to tie up all loose ends in a world revamp expansion. After that, they should really go back towards starting and ending stories in the expansion they were created in. The only exception, where applicable, would be a small thread to lead into the next expansion.

As I said earlier, if you tie up every lose end in every expansion, you'll burn through stories without any build up. You also get the Marvel disease, burning faster through threats then you create.
What if the faction conflict ended in Vanilla?
The Legion finished in TBC?
The Scourge ended in Wrath?

[Nymrohd]

Thank you. So not to completely do an 180 o the subject, which lose ends do you want to see in 11.0?
As mentioned, the Drust are very cool villains. Iridikron and Xal will surely make an appearance. So will the Decay storyline.

I am really disappointed they did not use Chromatus at all in DF. Imo he is the apex of the Dracthyr chromatic experiment plus having Warcraft Tiamat as a boss in a Dragon expansion just speaks to me

[micwini]

Not that I want to spend much time on N'zoth lest it encourage the resident void fetishist, but.

One of said lines was also specifically making the point he looked into our past and was like hmm interesting. The implication being that he was dead until we engaged in time travel shenanigans and made the granddaddy of all butterfly effects. A cunning critter like that could figure out how to fake his death so as not to create a paradox that would prevent his saviours from teaching him how to avoid death, too. Presumably the dagger because Blizz very conveniently wrote squidman to set it on its otherwise nonsensical journey to Sylv > Azshara > Wrathion, which otherwise makes zero sense that he's set up his own stabbing.

I wouldn't call that a masterstroke of narrative writing, but I would call them absolute morons if they don't follow up on it because several BFA story beats make actually zero sense without it.

True, but we have multiple examples of "wow everything makes sense like that" and it doesn't come to fruition. Example: Primus = Jailer.
I just can't see them ever bringing Nzoth back in a satisfying way in the future, eventhough the blueprint is there.

I feel like they actively avoid having the actual thing be the same as the fan theory just for the sake of it.

[keelr]

The storyline of Shadowlands were just so utterly trash it made me, an actual wow nerd who followed the story up to that point, turn away from the storyline. I didn't even follow DF storylines that much. Just so so bad.

[Moth Preacher]

I'd love to see the Drust, and controversial, I would want to see a proper sendoff for some older characters. Khadgar is getting incredibly stale.

I really thought that the whole Bronze Dragonflight vs Infinite will result in the destruction of Bronze's time travel/bending power just to remove unstable plot holes. Too bad

[pacotaco]

Even if Alex decided to shit on Sylvanas because she reminded him her ex.

Danuser still managed to write OR APPROVE :

1. BFA
2. Nzoth Storyline LMAO
3. Shadowlands
4. Jailer MEGAMIND 5CHESS PLAN to kill the current 20y old Lore
5. Spit on Arthas legacy like that


So...

People fail to understand that what we see is already done like 4~6 years before we see it.
So if Afrasiabi left in 2020, he surely worked on all the narrative of BFA and probably the draft of SL.
So by the time Danuser pick up the reins, he was fucked up, with BFA complete and SL already on-rails. So he barely had room to maneuver.
That's why they probably closed the story at the end of SL and made a time-skip to start "fresh" with DF.
And we won't probably see too much of Metzen narrative influence until the end of the next expansion at the earliest.

[Harbour]

Im still waiting for Terran Gregory to post about his portrait of Y'rel for the third time. Come on, Terran, fuel me with some copium.

[Myrrh]

Thank you. So not to completely do an 180 o the subject, which lose ends do you want to see in 11.0?
As mentioned, the Drust are very cool villains. Iridikron and Xal will surely make an appearance. So will the Decay storyline.

Decay probs will due to the Galakrond essence, but I'd almost prefer it for the revamp assuming that isn't 11.0. The Decatriarch's escape screams future gnoll warband (mongrel horde when??) and she's our only other main decay force at the moment.

I just hope that they do something interesting with decay, at minimum have the major players uncoupled from the major cosmic forces. Let them just want to rot stuff like Wratheye.

[keelr]

Yo someone leak some AI shit to debate on