Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Explicit Teemo Nudes]

What issues? That was a shadowlands thing. The massive departures happened the same time as covid.

Everyone's saying no 10.3 simply because Shadowlands didn't have one. Dragonflight & BFA were normal expansions. Shadowlands was the outlier here.
We'll see what Tyr has to say about that when he wakes up.

So you don't think the in-game things for the coming raid is any indication that 10.2 is the final raid(not counting Fated raids)? Like the things that don't tend to come until the last major patch, like the item that gives a stat buff and that isn't consumed on use?

[JMitchy96]

What issues? That was a shadowlands thing. The massive departures happened the same time as covid.

Everyone's saying no 10.3 simply because Shadowlands didn't have one. Dragonflight & BFA were normal expansions. Shadowlands was the outlier here.
We'll see what Tyr has to say about that when he wakes up.

I was referring to the whole return to office thing, a decent chunk of the WoW team either got let go or had to leave, including some devs who were behind some good content in DF, iirc.

[Zankai27]

If they actually do another class this soon I would shit. Tinker adjacent or Bard, either one is great to me

[Ferlion]

I think a new race and a new class are both somewhat unlikely.

[Kneckt95]

The guy literally said it was fake and he did it to make us stop with the riddles.

Anyway, if they really needed to extend things out til 11.0 but needed a glut of content that wasn't necessarily a raid in that timeframe, you would what could be a candidate?

Evergreen world revamp content.

Just saiyan.

how DARE I have hope something similar happens.

[Dismayxz]

People that say having an expansion completely underground or like a dome in the water are so boring and have the same lack of imagination as Blizzard seems to have when it comes to having certain themes for an expansion.

A giant underground dome with its own skybox and many, many tunnels, passages, etc would be cool. Could even connect it to Undermine and a Nerubian kingdom to create even more variety in scenery and skyboxes.

Going to Nazjatar(for real this time) would be amazing. Just gotta come up with some silly excuse(Blizzard looooves those) for it to not be completely under water. Either that we - the Horde and the Alliance use some spell to remove/push away the water(already done; so stupid that this was used for a patch in BfA) so we can deal with the naga/Azshara ones and for all, or the naga are working together with some different races or void beings so they removed the water so they could be down in Nazjatar without any issues.

I mean Vahsj'ir worked just fine, people just weren't used to mostly underwater combat, which.. surprise surprise, is a little more dimensional than just doing everything at ground level and thus makes a lot of ground effects really, REALLY awkward when you fight things above ground height instead of pulling them down to ground height. Vashj'ir, realistically speaking, was functional enough if you just applied basic logic to any form of combat down there, people just.. couldn't be arsed to do that and small self-solveable issues got blown out of proportions. Vashj'ir is still probably the reason Nazjatar went down the way it did, even though it would've been insane to get the zone we did get, just actually under water. The open ocean above the ruins of the city with it's wide alleys, the darkness in the lower Naga shelf near the big statue and the tunnel to the Eternal Palace.

The only valid reason for Vashj'ir sucking that goes beyond just subjectivity is.. frankly, that people with thalassophobia exist and that'd just .. suck a whole lot, depending on severity. Ultimately the zone was fine, it just closed a lot of doors for future similar stuff for very very few reasons.

[Leowyld]

Was just trying to protect the community. I don't think the insults are fair.

[Dismayxz]

It's just been a repeated pattern all week and I have low tolerance for BS or for those who trick others. Never had another account and have used this name wherever I can online since the '90's.

If I did a leak, it would be one, it would thorough and methodical - I am a perfectionist. But the aforementioned low tolerance for BS and distaste for deceiving people would make the entire experience nothing but miserable for me. If I want attention I'll earn it with this account, thank you.

Frankly, all I'm reading is that, basically you hate 95% of what Leak Season is, which makes me wonder why the fuck you would 'torture' yourself to begin with. The part where people try to fool us is kind of tradition and part of the whole thing. We don't know shit until it's released, so it wouldn't make sense for most of us to be here for facts. We're here for the offchance that something IS a fact. For some at this point it's probably more a social experience than anything. Getting upset at the fakes is, at best, just going to make the really toxic trolls go off and double down on the things you hate.

[Villager720]

They would lose so so so many subs with 6 months of fated hell.

Not if it came along with .5 and.7 patches, monthly trading post updates, and regular expansion news.

Then it’ll probably out perform any end of expansion lull in recent memory.

[Ersula]

So you don't think the in-game things for the coming raid is any indication that 10.2 is the final raid(not counting Fated raids)? Like the things that don't tend to come until the last major patch, like the item that gives a stat buff and that isn't consumed on use?

My list of reasons there would be a 10.3 is longer than my list for reasons they wouldn't. I'd put the fact that the stat buff is double the usual price...suggesting its meant to last more than one tier.

I was referring to the whole return to office thing, a decent chunk of the WoW team either got let go or had to leave, including some devs who were behind some good content in DF, iirc.

The WoW return to office thing was in July 2022, before Dragonflight even came out. And everything on the September 2023 layoffs says they were only applied to the Hearthstone & Diablo teams.

[Chickat]

Frankly, all I'm reading is that, basically you hate 95% of what Leak Season is, which makes me wonder why the fuck you would 'torture' yourself to begin with. The part where people try to fool us is kind of tradition and part of the whole thing. We don't know shit until it's released, so it wouldn't make sense for most of us to be here for facts. We're here for the offchance that something IS a fact. For some at this point it's probably more a social experience than anything. Getting upset at the fakes is, at best, just going to make the really toxic trolls go off and double down on the things you hate.

Agreed.

And with that goodnight. Happy leakmas

[JMitchy96]

My list of reasons there would be a 10.3 is longer than my list for reasons they wouldn't. I'd put the fact that the stat buff is double the usual price...suggesting its meant to last more than one tier.

The WoW return to office thing was in July 2022, before Dragonflight even came out. And everything on the September 2023 layoffs says they were only applied to the Hearthstone & Diablo teams.

Google’s telling me the RTO mandate was early this year, unless we’re talking about different things? Either way, the same thing happening in ‘22 will still have had a decent impact on DF’s development.

[Leowyld]

Frankly, all I'm reading is that, basically you hate 95% of what Leak Season is, which makes me wonder why the fuck you would 'torture' yourself to begin with. The part where people try to fool us is kind of tradition and part of the whole thing. We don't know shit until it's released, so it wouldn't make sense for most of us to be here for facts. We're here for the offchance that something IS a fact. For some at this point it's probably more a social experience than anything. Getting upset at the fakes is, at best, just going to make the really toxic trolls go off and double down on the things you hate.

I said *I* would not enjoy the process of putting a fake leak out there, because I had just been accused of doing just that. I know almost all leaks will turn out to be fake. I never complained about that in and of itself before, you can check. But we don't usually have so many attempts by what is very likely the same individual or individuals creating a deluge of new accounts within a couple days. It is unusual and that is what frustrated me. Not the leaks being fake on their own.

[Hitei]

I feel like people saying this is "clearly AI" aren't all that familiar with the current capabilities of AI image generators. I admit that there are parts that look off, but this is anything but "clearly AI". It's possible they've trained a custom model capable of mimicking WoW screenshots accurately, sure, but I personally think there's some in-engine work involved here.

Bringing this back up since you aren't the first person (@Marlamin ) to express this sentiment, and I wanted to illustrate the point:

Spoiler: 

These were made with zero in-engine work or sandboxing or whatever, using stable diffusion with a LoRA trained for about 5 minutes on 24 WoW screenshots I pulled from google. I generated maybe 30 images before I had a decent and interesting set to use.

Bottom two are complete untouched from their generated form (besides cropping). Top left has a lamp dropped in but is otherwise unmodified. Top right has five existing models photoshopped in, as well as some minor fixes to clear up stuff that was more obviously strange looking in the generated picture. All those existing assets were just screenshotted from model viewer, so they're 2D pictures layered on top.

Entire thing, start (from finishing SD install and looking up how to train the LoRA) to finish was about an hour and a half).

This is why I suggested that those original four pictures could be AI bashed with assets. It's very easy to just generate what will look like a screenshot with AI and then spruce it up a bit if you know what you are doing.

[Ferlion]

I said *I* would not enjoy the process of putting a fake leak out there. I know almost all leaks will turn out to be fake. I never complained about that in and of itself before. But we don't usually have so many attempts by what is very likely the same individual or individuals creating a deluge of new accounts within a couple days. It is unusual and that is what frustrated me. Not the leaks being fake on their own.

The single post flood is super annoying yes.

It's so much at this point that it actually detracts from the fun of fake leaks.

[Leowyld]

The single post flood is super annoying yes.

It's so much at this point that it actually detracts from the fun of fake leaks.

And I *was* having fun with the fake leaks before this. But I'm not having fun now, that's for sure.

[Luck4]

Quit the thread for 30 days...

...plays a shit ton of Classic Hardcore and quits his CE guild in Retail...

...watch some ppl losing their sh*t on Youtube regarding "four leaked images"...

...comes back to the thread to find out if it's real or not...

...see the Blizzard guy saying it's true and failing to hype everyone...

...and also see everyone trying to invalidate said leak...

I can't wait to see Twitch chat on the 3rd of November.

Spoiler: 

What a ride! If the "four leaked images" end up being fake, this would be the best leak season ever.

[Teriz]

IF it is underground either it has to be a hallow earth situation, or only partially underground.

Otherwise, no way we're getting 5 flavors of deepholm with a side of zaralek

It wouldn't be that regardless.

Undermine: (Underground city)



Azjol nerub (Ancient spider kingdom)




Khaz Algar (Earthen City)




Catacombs





And you still have Titan complex and Old God areas.

[bruxx]

Bringing this back up since you aren't the first person (@Marlamin ) to express this sentiment, and I wanted to illustrate the point:

Spoiler: 

These were made with zero in-engine work or sandboxing or whatever, using stable diffusion with a LoRA trained for about 5 minutes on 24 WoW screenshots I pulled from google. I generated maybe 30 images before I had a decent and interesting set to use.

Bottom two are complete untouched from their generated form (besides cropping). Top left has a lamp dropped in but is otherwise unmodified. Top right has five existing models photoshopped in, as well as some minor fixes to clear up stuff that was more obviously strange looking in the generated picture. All those existing assets were just screenshotted from model viewer, so they're 2D pictures layered on top.

Entire thing, start (from finishing SD install and looking up how to train the LoRA) to finish was about an hour and a half).

This is why I suggested that those original four pictures could be AI bashed with assets. It's very easy to just generate what will look like a screenshot with AI and then spruce it up a bit if you know what you are doing.

Thank you, that's really neat and I appreciate you taking the time to do it.
I assume you mixed in a random assortment of pictures?

It'd be interesting to see the outcome if you just fed it environmental pics belonging to a single expansion, though I'm certainly not sugesting that you spend your time on that.

[matijwow]

The single post flood is super annoying yes.

It's so much at this point that it actually detracts from the fun of fake leaks.

There once was a guy who played Horde,
But whenever he played, he was bored.
So he started a "leak"
And in less than a week
All the Youtube reactors were floored.