Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Annihilas]

so this is the one then

What, as in the one that causes this game to finally go f2p?

[Puupi]

It does not sit right with me that one faction can burn alive hundreds of civilians alive which triggers the events of a massive world war where thousands more die and then both just agree it was only one persons fault and we can all be friends now.

What you just described was called World War 2 in real life.

[Syegfryed]

???? It ended after WC3 and the 4th War officially started during BfA.

with is 100% bullshit since alliance and horde were at war the moment wow started, it just didn't happed in open conflict.

Its also funny tht people argued that the third war ended in MOP, not in wc3, with Garrosh, but also there was just a cease fire

[Floot]

Yeah the "Alliance versus Horde" war is over, time to move on.

The faction boundaries can definitely be broken down, and maybe this creates room for new factions to come to exist story-wise.

Say for example the "Night Elves, Draenei and Tauren" creating their own faction going through their own storyline or conflicts.

The story possibilities would be endless.

[bruxx]

False



Because there was no "fourth war"

this was still the third war, it never ended.

The war had definetly ended in RoC, with the last remainders of it cleaned up in TfT. Then the devs though faction war would make the MMO unique and a bunch of circular plot lines where no one can win or lose happened. The first 3 wars were between Azeroth and the burning Legion, the horde was just a pawn

[Moth Preacher]

What you just described was called World War 2 in real life.

If you skip 99.99% of what World War 2 was - then sure lol

[Syegfryed]

Back in Classic, the vast majority of people did not care about faction war.

People wanted to see the main villains of WC3: Lich King, Illidan, and Kil'jaeden.

It's not coincidence that Blizzard made a full-blown faction war (Cataclysm) only after they had expended all their major WC3 villains.

And it's not a coincidence that the first two expansions of WoW were tying up loose ends from WC3 (Illidan, Kil'jaeden/Legion, Lich King) and barely contained any instance of faction conflict at all.

except in all of those expansions had major pvp and faction war shenanigans to keep people entertained.

[Shadowferal]

Ah yes, sexy nelven shark people.

Well, there's "jumping the shark," but I'm not sure how to safely apply that here.

[Varodoc]

Blizzard are not making another faction war expansion after the massive outrage for the Burning of Teldrassil.

The closest we'll ever get to "faction war" is someone like Turalyon leaving the Alliance and making his own organization, like Garrosh did with his True Horde at the end of MoP.

There is 0% chance that 11.0 is Faction war expansion. Impossible.

[Syegfryed]

The war had definetly ended in RoC, with the last remainders of it cleaned up in TfT. Then the devs though faction war would make the MMO unique and a bunch of circular plot lines where no one can win or lose happened.

The war between alliance and horde didn't end in RoC, it was a cease fire to deal with the legion, it got messier because the scourge participated, but the first, second war were all about horde x alliance, thus the third as well.

And yes, it indeed made the mmo unique, and beloved by the fanbase, since this was one of the differential pillars that made wow so great, with a sense of tribalism among the players

The first 3 wars were between Azeroth and the burning Legion, the horde was just a pawn

yeah no.

And if we want to jiggle this bs, this would the "fifth war" since horde and alliance were at war since vanilla, and people claimed it ended with Garrosh.

[Nuami]

I believe future faction conflicts will just be proxy wars. Much like real life neither faction wants to fight, but it's inevitable. So they'll just aid smaller factions who are also fighting one another for thing, place, or otherwise.

[Syegfryed]

Blizzard are not making another faction war expansion after the massive outrage for the Burning of Teldrassil..

We don't need another "faction war expansion"

but we do need an expansion that does have elements of faction war, like wtlk and cataclysm

[Makorus]

with is 100% bullshit since alliance and horde were at war the moment wow started, it just didn't happed in open conflict.

Its also funny tht people argued that the third war ended in MOP, not in wc3, with Garrosh, but also there was just a cease fire

Third War was not Alliance vs Horde ???????????????????????????????????????????????????

There was no official war until BfA.

[Moth Preacher]

While anticipating a proper leak - somehow I forgot that it's November 1st already, and in 2 days we'll have a proper thing.

I fear no man...but that thing... it scares me

[Floot]

Third War was not Alliance vs Horde ???????????????????????????????????????????????????

There was no official war until BfA.

Wasn't there a Death Knight talent that said "Veteran of the 4th War" or something?

[Harbour]

Yeah, i think BFA backlash sent Blizzard clear signal that they dont want Faction War.
And even though i think audience werent against Faction War, but against BADLY executed Faction War, Blizzard will never admit they fucked up with no equal answer to Theldrassil's burning.
So they wont do Faction War, at least wont make it the main focus. At best there will be some other major theme and Horde/Alliance will compete in getting at main villain's throat.

[Shadowferal]

Blizzard are not making another faction war expansion after the massive outrage for the Burning of Teldrassil.

The outrage has everything to do with the utter lack of any thought of what should have reasonably followed through, which should have resulted in the very least an attempt at complete obliteration of forsaken, and how the undead would survive such an attempt.
Blizz has shown incredible stupidity in this regard, so much so that I find it stunning.

[Schwert]

Third War was not Alliance vs Horde ???????????????????????????????????????????????????

There was no official war until BfA.

There was no official war, but there was plenty of conflict, and MoP happened, which... if that wasn't a war, I don't know what is.

Faction tensions and conflicts make this IP and so many of it's story beats what they are. Writing it out just dilutes the game into another generic fantasy game.
Also, BFA sold amazingly well and was extremely hyped. The end game systems being garbage is what killed it, not Warcraft being Warcraft.

Also, nobody tell people what you did in WC3 after you beat the campaign.

The outrage has everything to do with the utter lack of any thought of what should have reasonably followed through, which should have resulted in the very least an attempt at complete obliteration of forsaken, and how the undead would survive such an attempt.
Blizz has shown incredible stupidity in this regard, so much so that I find it stunning.

This would have been so much better.
Actually exploring the consequences of war is one of the things that makes these stories so appealing, and Warcraft actually has with the caveat that fighting is in our nature; it never ends. Just as it doesn't in reality. There's just better IPs for the hand holding, and this one isn't it.

I seriously want to go back to smaller scale war stories and conflicts. We're never getting a proper ending to the Teldrassil crap, we're too deep in and the consequences are too severe for an MMORPG, but like, Gilneas is right there. Horde knows they aren't keeping it, but hell, it'll be fun to fight over it anyways.

[Syegfryed]

Third War was not Alliance vs Horde ???????????????????????????????????????????????????

It was everyone against everyone until they stop to fight the burning legion, they still fought each other right after it.

There was no official war until BfA.

Sure, there was no war happening in cataclysm and mop, wink wink.

[Zankai27]

Faction War fucking sucks, no thanks. Never again.

It's a do-nothing conflict that only pumps up the worst kind of player.