Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Nuami]

They are already doing that.

Old racial traditions = BAD
Titans = evil colonizers and other forces just ''marginalized groups''
Etc

Given how the Titans in WoW are based off a Norse gods I always expected they'd end up secretly dicks. That's just staying true to the inspiration.

[JDBlou]

Return of the Wrath of the Bolvar

Do they think we had forgotten, that we had forgiven? The Wrath of the Bolvar is undying.

[Cheezits]

What can ROTW stand for?

Revenge of the Wrathion

[Sentynel]

On a side note, do you guys think they will announce a 20 year anniversary collector's edition similar to the 15th anniversary with the Ragnaros statue?

[Syegfryed]

It didn't work at all in Wrath.

Work great

Gunship Battle is the most inane fucking fight in the game.

And it was badass dumb, over the top awesome, gunship fight in the middle of the lich king raid

this is the wow i signed in for.

[Cheezits]

On a side note, do you guys think they will announce a 20 year anniversary collector's edition similar to the 15th anniversary with the Ragnaros statue?

Yes, and it will be Anduin and Wrathion kissing.

[Makorus]

Work great


And it was badass dumb, over the top awesome, gunship fight in the middle of the lich king raid

this is the wow i signed in for.

Yeah, because this is peak writing.

Grow up.

[doledippers]

On a side note, do you guys think they will announce a 20 year anniversary collector's edition similar to the 15th anniversary with the Ragnaros statue?

I imagine so, looking forward to it

[Schwert]

It's always weird to me watching people throw a fit about faction stuff existing in this game, when you ask general people at conventions and stuff about the game, their faction is usually the first dang thing they bring up and people still chest-thump for their team. Heck, even former players when I mention it at my other volunteer work when they see me wearing a shirt or jewelry always either get hyped for the Alliance bracelet, or jokingly call me an Alliance dog or screech For the Horde.

Like, volunteering at cons and spending time with general gamers at these events really gives me whiplash when I try to just enjoy the things I like about this game in communities seemingly dedicated to them.

If I wanted to play an MMO without factions, I'd be playing XIV or something. But I like the us vs them vibe, especially now that we actually have a chance to do it because it doesn't impact PvE anymore.

[Nyel]

No, it does make sense, you are thinking in a meta level concept, the general civilian, tribe, clan or group don't give two shits about "void lords" because they can't or don't understand the concept or scale, they only care about their safety, their next meal and revenge against what happened to then, thats why faction conflict and skirmishes will always happen, to get resources or land.

Again, this worked just fine in wtlk and cata

The entire premise of the franchise changed. It worked up until BfA, even in MoP it made sense, but coming clean at the end and killing Garrosh basically ended that logic. And at the latest after BfA faction war will never ever make sense again. It‘s simple as that.

[Schwert]

Yeah, because this is peak writing.

Grow up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSJr3dXZfcg

Ya'll always resort to insults when people love the thing you don't like?

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The entire premise of the franchise changed. It worked up until BfA, even in MoP it made sense, but coming clean at the end and killing Garrosh basically ended that logic. And at the latest after BfA faction war will never ever make sense again. It‘s simple as that.

How about no?
Also, I don't think you want to talk about how the entire premise of the franchise changed because you're talking about Shadowlands and Dragonflight.

[Syegfryed]

Yeah, because this is peak writing.

For wow standards its pretty decent, yes? especially from something that is mroe than a decade old.

Grow up.

We have a big boy here, with his big boy pants talking about a kids videogame

cause wow is SO MUCH ADULT now, give me a break

[GhostFish]

The outrage has everything to do with the utter lack of any thought of what should have reasonably followed through, which should have resulted in the very least an attempt at complete obliteration of forsaken, and how the undead would survive such an attempt.
Blizz has shown incredible stupidity in this regard, so much so that I find it stunning.

Blizzard obviously understood it since Sylvanas did. Sylvanas expected reprisal against Undercity and the Forsaken living there. She was engineering war and death to benefit the Jailer and herself.

Refusing to learn from history and engaging in retaliatory war crimes against innocent civilians is the kind of thing that happens in reality. Does a videogame need to follow that, or should it maybe aspire to suggest alternatives?
Our instincts for fear, retribution, and ambition get used against us by people who want power and influence. Isn't that something worth pointing out in the art of the story? Isn't that something that Warcraft has repeatedly integrated as part of its theme?

It's not that Blizzard hasn't thought it out. It's that you're not interested in the story that they have told and retold. You want something grittier and less didactic, which is fine. You just might be playing the wrong game series.

[Well Done Steak]

If Nzoth is still alive, he could very well be underground. Keep in mind, the Old Gods were typically under the surface of Azeroth because they were attempting to corrupt the world soul.



I never said they would be used up, but saying that something happening in 10.2 is going to dictate what happens in 11.0 is a huge stretch.



That’s highly doubtful. When Sargeras flung a sword into the planet and wounded the world soul, Elune didn’t come down from the sky and do anything.

Was nzoth not chained to the bottom of the ocean? Look at the eternal palace finally cinematic.

Of course something happening at the end of 10.2 will most likely dictate what happens in 11.0. that's been the case for many expansions.

What you expect her to do, pull the sword out? She clearly has her reason, that's why the winter queen and tyrande we're pissed at her for the tree happening and the anima drought

[Makorus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSJr3dXZfcg

Ya'll always resort to insults when people love the thing you don't like?

Sorry, there is a difference between the faction war in BfA and Wrath.

In BfA it made sense.

In Wrath, we are literally about to fight the Lich King, someone who is endangering the world and can turn anybody that dies into a warrior that fights for him, and we decide to... just fight eachother? Or we have Brann, who is certainly no nobody and the Horde is in good standing with him, telling us that an Old God has awoken and we kinda have to stop him ASAP or else we all die and... random faction war?

[Syegfryed]

The entire premise of the franchise changed.

no it didn't

It worked up until BfA, even in MoP it made sense, but coming clean at the end and killing Garrosh basically ended that logic. And at the latest after BfA faction war will never ever make sense again. It‘s simple as that.

Again, it will always make sense, people people, the civlians, the groups, tribes, clans and kingdoms work different, with their own motivations, they don't have meta knowledge like players do about "void lords" and "war is bad"

[Makorus]

no it didn't


Again, it will always make sense, people people, the civlians, the groups, tribes, clans and kingdoms work different, with their own motivations, they don't have meta knowledge like players do about "void lords" and "war is bad"

Uuuh? There was literally a charity drive for donations because there was a war with an Old God. The Scourge has invaded major cities on numerous occasions, as well as the Legion.

People know that there's enough outside threats that they probably shouldn't fight eachother.

[KurtMash]

With them giving up on strict separation between horde and alliance, I would actually want them to drop the ideas of two faction completely. From the very start it was just a gameplay necessity, it didn't make much sense to have Night Elves be Alliance and Undead Horde. But now that we've established that factions can work together, even if their leaders are not best friends, why keep it?

With two factions you are restricted to peace or faction conflict, and each faction has a "leader" that may not represent their interest. I doubt Night Elves feel like Turalyon is "their man".

With loosening the "faction identity" they can develop much more interesting stories, where alliances can change over time. Instead of factions as such, we could have meaningful reputations. For example, you could be a human who befriends the undead, at the cost of you reputation amoungst worgen.

[Chickat]

Was hoping for a leak while I'm here bored..

[Syegfryed]

Sorry, there is a difference between the faction war in BfA and Wrath.

Indeed, in bfa it was dogshit and wrath was ok.

In BfA it made sense.

BfA make fuck no sense

the sole fact that the horde was backing up sylvanas in her mentally retarded speech to conquer teldrassil because in 50 years the peace after mop would not las is BOGUS.

In Wrath, we are literally about to fight the Lich King, someone who is endangering the world and can turn anybody that dies into a warrior that fights for him, and we decide to... just fight eachother?

Yes, that does make sense, again, the characters acted like their own selves, not a hivermind, they act like they want to, stupidly, arrogantly, full of pride or ego, this is what happen in real world when a battalion or a group goes rogue or against the upper orders, because their own agenda or other reason, this is organic and believable, this makes sense in a context where civilians, soldiers or generals don't have meta knowledge about warcraft lore like players do.


But i guess this is too much of a deep concept