Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[PFKlax]

Someone summarized info in the comments. Mind you, that was 4 years ago, before SL even came out.

Spoiler: 

9.0 and beyond

The focus on the next expansion will be around both the return of and rise of the dragonflights as a whole and dealing with the forces of Death. Elune will be a big part of the next expansion as a sort of aspect of Light that serves as a 'frenemy' who's allied with Death. The Kaldorei's faith is shaken asince she put into motion the events that lead to Sylvanas' reign and her "Blood War".

Plans for future expacs are new zones as opposed to revamping older stuff. "Map looks cluttered but it's not like a serious problem". Concept art for an area called "spawning grounds" looks good but is just that, concept art.

New expacs will have "yet again more hidden isles"

"Is 9.0 Light vs. Void with factions being split?" Ka'resh is slated for 10.0 though at this stage that could still change. Unlikely though since that story is coming.

"Could you list the ideas for future expacs" Dragon Isles + Shadowlands confirmed. K'aresh concept. Ancient Azeroth/time travel with elf-queen Azshara concept.

There's a few drastic changes coming in 9.0 but they're nothing like a WoW 2. Mostly leveling changes(sort of a blended ESO-style) and some faction changes being weighed. Some on my team were working on prototypes of how a faction merger would work systems-wise and how it could still allow for PVP using warmode.

3 expansions planned out, only one is beyond concept art right now.

No WoW 2

Class Stuff

New Hero Class Tinker! Planned to start at 50(unclear if this is under new or current leveling system). Tank/Heal/DPS using Mail Armor. Tanks have 'power armor'(I read this as power armor like in the fallout series). DPS use stealth, bombs, mines and guns. Healers use healbots to heal in between damage dealing.

Class skins/Prestige class: Necromancer for Warlock. Dragonsworn for Druids. Dark Shaman for...well, Shaman. Later calls them "Prestige Classes" and labels them as a separate class. "It wouldn't make sense for a warlock to suddenly become a necromancer or a druid a dragonsworn" "There's a planned 'necromancer' prestige class for warlocks, though it'll just be a "skin" so to speak.

"Any plans for new specs to be added to existing classes?" No.
Lore not pertaining to previous entries

Yrel will come back eventually(likely in the expansion following) but not before then.

Elune has made a bargain with the goddess of Death and granted Tyrande mega powers(even though Tyrande wanted to kill Sylvanas who is working for the goddess) and is doing all she can to both honor the bargain and not forsake her people.

"Is the death god supposed to be the Xe'ra of the Death Aspect?" No Clue.

Most employees don't know the name of the death god or the new expansion names. They aren't told more than they need to know.

Wrathion has been postponed repeatedly since the Dragon Isles has been on the backburner for a while now(and was originally supposed to come after WoD). He'll play a big role and I'd be surprised if it wasn't his voice on the reveal trailer when they film it.

Azshara does not die and is alive into 9.0

N'zoth is defeated by the end of 8.3, not dead forever though.

Murozond is the person that was trying to kill Chromie.

Exactly. Way too accurate for 2019. I think it's legit.

[Zankai27]

There a bad writers attempt to up the stakes pulled out of no where and with no benefit to the lore while actively taking away from it but retconning what we had before for none sense gods above gods.

There shite.

"I like the Titans, I no like when something bigger than Titans" is literally all you needed to say.

Seems pointless to explain this but:

They don't do anything to affect "stakes". They're a mystery element that adds macro context to the setting. It's basically the role the Titans had pre-Legion, before they were entities we knew and interacted with, but with even more ambiguity. We can name Titans, we can't name the First Ones. We just know they created the cosmos, and what their magic/creations are like. It gives the universe a decent bit more mystery to work with, from a writing perspective.

[13last]

Someone summarized info in the comments. Mind you, that was 4 years ago, before SL even came out.

Spoiler: 

9.0 and beyond

The focus on the next expansion will be around both the return of and rise of the dragonflights as a whole and dealing with the forces of Death. Elune will be a big part of the next expansion as a sort of aspect of Light that serves as a 'frenemy' who's allied with Death. The Kaldorei's faith is shaken asince she put into motion the events that lead to Sylvanas' reign and her "Blood War".

Plans for future expacs are new zones as opposed to revamping older stuff. "Map looks cluttered but it's not like a serious problem". Concept art for an area called "spawning grounds" looks good but is just that, concept art.

New expacs will have "yet again more hidden isles"

"Is 9.0 Light vs. Void with factions being split?" Ka'resh is slated for 10.0 though at this stage that could still change. Unlikely though since that story is coming.

"Could you list the ideas for future expacs" Dragon Isles + Shadowlands confirmed. K'aresh concept. Ancient Azeroth/time travel with elf-queen Azshara concept.

There's a few drastic changes coming in 9.0 but they're nothing like a WoW 2. Mostly leveling changes(sort of a blended ESO-style) and some faction changes being weighed. Some on my team were working on prototypes of how a faction merger would work systems-wise and how it could still allow for PVP using warmode.

3 expansions planned out, only one is beyond concept art right now.

No WoW 2

Class Stuff

New Hero Class Tinker! Planned to start at 50(unclear if this is under new or current leveling system). Tank/Heal/DPS using Mail Armor. Tanks have 'power armor'(I read this as power armor like in the fallout series). DPS use stealth, bombs, mines and guns. Healers use healbots to heal in between damage dealing.

Class skins/Prestige class: Necromancer for Warlock. Dragonsworn for Druids. Dark Shaman for...well, Shaman. Later calls them "Prestige Classes" and labels them as a separate class. "It wouldn't make sense for a warlock to suddenly become a necromancer or a druid a dragonsworn" "There's a planned 'necromancer' prestige class for warlocks, though it'll just be a "skin" so to speak.

"Any plans for new specs to be added to existing classes?" No.
Lore not pertaining to previous entries

Yrel will come back eventually(likely in the expansion following) but not before then.

Elune has made a bargain with the goddess of Death and granted Tyrande mega powers(even though Tyrande wanted to kill Sylvanas who is working for the goddess) and is doing all she can to both honor the bargain and not forsake her people.

"Is the death god supposed to be the Xe'ra of the Death Aspect?" No Clue.

Most employees don't know the name of the death god or the new expansion names. They aren't told more than they need to know.

Wrathion has been postponed repeatedly since the Dragon Isles has been on the backburner for a while now(and was originally supposed to come after WoD). He'll play a big role and I'd be surprised if it wasn't his voice on the reveal trailer when they film it.

Azshara does not die and is alive into 9.0

N'zoth is defeated by the end of 8.3, not dead forever though.

Murozond is the person that was trying to kill Chromie.

For being 4 years old this kind of gets a few things right. I guess we'll know more when we see what Elune has been up to.

[Vakir]

The binary code leaks seem too good to be true. Mostly cause they include a revamp.

Anyone have a consolidated list of this one?

[Makorus]

Someone summarized info in the comments. Mind you, that was 4 years ago, before SL even came out.

Spoiler: 

9.0 and beyond

The focus on the next expansion will be around both the return of and rise of the dragonflights as a whole and dealing with the forces of Death. Elune will be a big part of the next expansion as a sort of aspect of Light that serves as a 'frenemy' who's allied with Death. The Kaldorei's faith is shaken asince she put into motion the events that lead to Sylvanas' reign and her "Blood War".

Plans for future expacs are new zones as opposed to revamping older stuff. "Map looks cluttered but it's not like a serious problem". Concept art for an area called "spawning grounds" looks good but is just that, concept art.

New expacs will have "yet again more hidden isles"

"Is 9.0 Light vs. Void with factions being split?" Ka'resh is slated for 10.0 though at this stage that could still change. Unlikely though since that story is coming.

"Could you list the ideas for future expacs" Dragon Isles + Shadowlands confirmed. K'aresh concept. Ancient Azeroth/time travel with elf-queen Azshara concept.

There's a few drastic changes coming in 9.0 but they're nothing like a WoW 2. Mostly leveling changes(sort of a blended ESO-style) and some faction changes being weighed. Some on my team were working on prototypes of how a faction merger would work systems-wise and how it could still allow for PVP using warmode.

3 expansions planned out, only one is beyond concept art right now.

No WoW 2

Class Stuff

New Hero Class Tinker! Planned to start at 50(unclear if this is under new or current leveling system). Tank/Heal/DPS using Mail Armor. Tanks have 'power armor'(I read this as power armor like in the fallout series). DPS use stealth, bombs, mines and guns. Healers use healbots to heal in between damage dealing.

Class skins/Prestige class: Necromancer for Warlock. Dragonsworn for Druids. Dark Shaman for...well, Shaman. Later calls them "Prestige Classes" and labels them as a separate class. "It wouldn't make sense for a warlock to suddenly become a necromancer or a druid a dragonsworn" "There's a planned 'necromancer' prestige class for warlocks, though it'll just be a "skin" so to speak.

"Any plans for new specs to be added to existing classes?" No.
Lore not pertaining to previous entries

Yrel will come back eventually(likely in the expansion following) but not before then.

Elune has made a bargain with the goddess of Death and granted Tyrande mega powers(even though Tyrande wanted to kill Sylvanas who is working for the goddess) and is doing all she can to both honor the bargain and not forsake her people.

"Is the death god supposed to be the Xe'ra of the Death Aspect?" No Clue.

Most employees don't know the name of the death god or the new expansion names. They aren't told more than they need to know.

Wrathion has been postponed repeatedly since the Dragon Isles has been on the backburner for a while now(and was originally supposed to come after WoD). He'll play a big role and I'd be surprised if it wasn't his voice on the reveal trailer when they film it.

Azshara does not die and is alive into 9.0

N'zoth is defeated by the end of 8.3, not dead forever though.

Murozond is the person that was trying to kill Chromie.

This is a direct transcript of the images, and if you look at them, it's not really as believable anymore.

"Who is the last boss of BFA?" Not really a final boss so to speak but the final encounter is saving Sylvanas(though it will require fighting her first) and resealing N'Zoth's prison.

Sylvanas lives. Turns out she was trying to save the world! "Sylvanas is doing all she can to stop N'Zoth from breaking from his prison. Though not all will be forgiven.

Nya'lotha is 8.3. Larger than a normal zone. Wouldn't be surprised if it was cut in to 2-4 zones. Tallest zone yet.

[GhostFish]

I really like the idea that the First Ones are actually a previous generation of Titans from before our own Pantheon, maybe from a previous "cycle" of the universe, that eventually became the First Ones and "created" the current universe as we know it.

I'm pretty sure the Progenitors are just a fourth-wall bending nod to Blizzard and the people who have made WoW. That's why their architecture is geometric and their language is mathematics. That's why the prototypes of the pantheon look like segmented models.

[Jaggler]

I heard that in the next expansion we get a legendary ring which we will have to power up using "Avaloren Particles" which are harvested from a new System in an Underground tunnel called Uldhast.

I'm pretty sure the Progenitors are just a fourth-wall bending nod to Blizzard and the people who have made WoW. That's why their architecture is geometric and their language is mathematics. That's why the prototypes of the pantheon look like segmented models.

The First Ones are an attempt to bring back some mystery back to WoW, after we basically buddied up with the titans. They fill the "whole" in the space the Titans left.

[Zankai27]

For being 4 years old this kind of gets a few things right. I guess we'll know more when we see what Elune has been up to.

Any leak from 4 years ago probably got at least something right. A lot of these are easy-to-guess story beats and let's not even cover the fact that Prestige Classes are a shit idea that'll never happen and hasn't in 4 years.

And, y'know, we got a new class in the last 4 years that wasn't Tinker.

[JMitchy96]

Exactly. Way too accurate for 2019. I think it's legit.

Accurate, but very vague. Could easily have just been a few lucky guesses. If the next expac is indeed Void/Karesh/Tinkers, this is very likely legit.

[Northelim]

I wish people would stop parroting the pattern stuff, because it's the same thing people said about Augmentation

"Oh, they never added a spec during an expansion!" ok well, there you go.

Patterns mean nothing. The pattern isn't even a pattern if there are exception. Shadowlands was an exception, why can't this be?

This is not parroting, this is facts and physical proof. If you have an issue with that then it's a personal problem. It does not make any logical sense for them to add a new class so soon. The balancing is already complicated as it is.

I could see new specs being added in the future 100% in the new expansion but a whole class again is just too soon.

Shadowlands also came out at a weird time and was a very weird expansion in terms of its setting and lore that didn't much sense with the jailer and all that. So thematically speaking there was not much else they could of done class wise. Blizzard usually adds a new class when it makes sense thematically.

Demon Hunters were a big part of the story in Legion with Illidan and all so it made sense.
Pandaria introduced the padaren race and the whole easterized thing made sense for a monk.
Dragonflight has the dragon aspects so of course a new race and class also made logical sense

The next expansion seems to lean heavily on elemental and titan stuff (if the ingame lore books are anything to go off), so a new race I could possibly see.

We already have an elemental class and that is Shaman. If anything I could maybe see them adding new spec and with elemental stuff to existing classes to experience new ways to play.

The only other possibility I see is a Runemaster or some sort of a Titan class, but as I said I am not sure if Blizzard would do it this soon.

[allifeur]

Calm down chief, the First Ones aren't even that offensive. They're basically scaled-up Titans created to fill the void left by making the Titans known quantities. They didn't kill your family or anything.

And their aesthetic is completely different, and only chuds hate their aesthetic.

What's even the point to replace titans by another force of order that is at the origin of every other energy? It only makes the world more homogeneous and too rational and that's incredibly boring. You don't need the first ones to present Aman'thul as a manipulative entity, you just need to have him use his time powers to pretend he was the first and create time paradoxes just to make himself look better.

[bruxx]

Man, I want a Vulpera UwU Anihilator now. What are the available roles?

[PFKlax]

What makes you think it's not as believable? Keep in mind that original drafts for the story/expansions shift and change over time. There's enough of a foundation here for it to be totally believable. There's no way a random would pull all of that out of thin air even with lucky guess-work with what we knew in 2019.

Keep in mind the early leak of the Shadowlands map that ended up being completely different to what we ended up with.

[Raetary]

Anyone have a consolidated list of this one?

Revamp + Khaz Algar
Earthen playable race
Artificer class
N'zoth and Xal relevancy
Removal of transmog restrictions
Path of the Titans.

[The Stormbringer]

I heard that in the next expansion we get a legendary ring which we will have to power up using "Avaloren Particles" which are harvested from a new System in an Underground tunnel called Uldhast.

Lmao, Avaloren Particles. Take my imaginary forum upvote for bringing AP back.

[matijwow]

Anyone have a consolidated list of this one?

I have a word document I'll paste.

97osol messages
October 31st 2023
3:58 pg 2309
the first riddle for 11.0 will be found on page 1418

4:27 pg2312
The riddle was found in the shaper of worlds. For your next quest, find the fourth in the fourth, who may point you further.

5:16 pg2316
Knowledge of Warcraft is essential, the last clue may be too difficult for some. Y, C, Y, N, are the four.

5:29 pg2317
Giving you runes made it easy. The fourth god in the fourth war, he will be involved, but you already known. Your location already known: Khaz Algar. The Shaper of Worlds detailed your plot. What can you discover new? class or race? Now the 1st, 18th, and 20th, will give you some runes, the rest you will have to fill in. Use two of your eyes.

6:19 pg 2322
ART is correct, now use your eyes. The race will come next.

7:02 pg 2327
“ARTificer?”
You discovered your class... now about your race? Your first step: Go to the storm.

7:09 pg2328
The Stormpeaks are home of the Stormforged Artificer, both steps have been solved, but Stormforged Iron Dwarf is not your race. The Earthen of Khaz Algar, based on them. You got your plot, your continent, your race, your class, but what about systems?

7:11 pg2329
It is time for me to sleep, and will let you think before my return, your revamped world is not just a hope.

November 1st 2023
11:50am pg2377
Hello fellow robots. I return for your next riddle. Your world will be revamped, with your Earthen Artificer, but what system can you find in 64 72 61 67 6f 6e 62 6c 69 67 68 74 (Dragonblight)

12:28pm pg2380
Artificer for all races. Path of the titans is your system. Perhaps last one was too easy.
lets make this a little harder
https://8upload.com/display/65427b0ba73fd/new.jpg.php
(Image is reupload of K’aresh fan art from 10 years ago – steganography revealed a link to a reddit post about removing transmog restrictions)

1:11 pg2386
You solved the riddle, i tried a little harder, but am not good with them. You have Khaz Algar, Titanforged Earthen Artificers, Void involved, Path of the Titans, World Revamp, and Transmog all armor types.

1:19 pg2389
Yes it is true,Quel'thalas and Draenei islands become part of kalimdor and eastern kingdoms. No loading screens.

[Makorus]

This is not parroting, this is facts and physical proof. If you have an issue with that then it's a personal problem. It does not make any logical sense for them to add a new class so soon. The balancing is already complicated as it is.

I could see new specs being added in the future 100% in the new expansion but a whole class again is just too soon.

Shadowlands also came out at a weird time and was a very weird expansion in terms of its setting and lore that didn't much sense with the jailer and all that. So thematically speaking there was not much else they could of done class wise. Blizzard usually adds a new class when it makes sense thematically.

Demon Hunters were a big part of the story in Legion with Illidan and all so it made sense.
Pandaria introduced the padaren race and the whole easterized thing made sense for a monk.
Dragonflight has the dragon aspects so of course a new race and class also made logical sense

The next expansion seems to lean heavily on elemental and titan stuff (if the ingame lore books are anything to go off), so a new race I could possibly see.

We already have an elemental class and that is Shaman. If anything I could maybe see them adding new spec and with elemental stuff to existing classes to experience new ways to play.

The only other possibility I see is a Runemaster or some sort of a Titan class, but as I said I am not sure if Blizzard would do it this soon.

So what's the pattern?

Race - Class - Race - Class AND Race - Nothing - Class - Race - Nothing - Class and Race

[JMitchy96]

Just means there will be more expacs beyond the Void.

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Pretty sure the KT stuff was talking about everything past Wrath

But KT was a completely inactive character between Wrath and SL, so how could it be? If that was blizzard's intention, it absolutely did not come across that way.

[Neoplanet]

Man, I want a Vulpera UwU Anihilator now. What are the available roles?

and then there are me hoping for a azerite or cosmic void (using the new effects ,no old god void ,only cosmic space like) melee class

if this happens , can probably be the best visual class in the game

[Shalpal]

Exactly. Way too accurate for 2019. I think it's legit.

He would've mentioned a dragon class if this was actually legit. They talked about how Dracthyr/Evoker was on the table the moment they decided on a dragon expansion because of the perfect fit for a new caster, there is absolutely no way they worked on Tinker before they started working on Evoker.