Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[The Stormbringer]

The First Ones aren't a force of Order...

Please stop thinking like this.

I mean, if they're building machinery to create an afterlife, and there's other "Zereths", it indicates that they are indeed putting a certain amount of Order into everything. Their own order.

[Zankai27]

Who is Dimensius again?

The Void Lord responsible for the destruction of Ka'resh, the Etehereal Homeworld. We fight him in BC

Seemingly, what we fight in BC was just an echo of his actual Void Lord form, though

I mean, if they're building machinery to create an afterlife, and there's other "Zereths", it indicates that they are indeed putting a certain amount of Order into everything. Their own order.

It's true, but there's also a kind of "order" in that way to Void society. I think the main difference is the First Ones don't use explicitly Order magic, which IS an established thing. And the Titans do.

[milkmustache]

No? Could just be that the Titans are following the Design, or are simply calling their design "the grand design". Reminder, they did call the Forge in Uldum "The Forge of Origination", while the Progenitors' machine at the Sepulcher is called "the Machine of Origination".

That's true too. I wonder what the correlation between Titans and First Ones is truly. I wasn't the biggest fan of the idea of the First Ones, so simplifying it as the Titans, or something Order adjacent would be interesting.

Why would it? The Titans are literally beings who think their design *is* the grand design. That's all this is.

The First Ones aren't that offensive for fuck sake

I mean, agree to disagree. I'm just not a huge fan of the First Ones idea and the way it was presented in Shadowlands, so adjustments to make them more Titan aligned is something I find more interesting! It's all personal opinion

[bruxx]

Any source for this? Just curious and would like to see.

Urghh been searching a bit, but can't track back the source, I'm fairly certain it was Ion explaining in an interview that originally they knew that they wanted dragons, but "none of the classes made sense" and from there, they came up with Evoker. I hope I didn`t deform some memory in my head.

[PFKlax]

Who is Dimensius again?

The void lord that destroyed K'aresh.

[vintage79]

Who is Dimensius again?

some shady shadow guy

[Valysar]

Who is Dimensius again?

https://www.wowhead.com/npc=19554/di...-all-devouring
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Dim..._All-Devouring

[Zankai27]

That's true too. I wonder what the correlation between Titans and First Ones is truly. I wasn't the biggest fan of the idea of the First Ones, so simplifying it as the Titans, or something Order adjacent would be interesting.

That doesn't make any sense though. Look, think of the First Ones as "the thing behind the curtain we aren't supposed to know about." The Zereths are all basically 3D printers for the universe we're never supposed to go to.

The First Ones themselves aren't even really a factor. They're just a big mystery meant to give the setting scope. Attaching Order specifically to them fucks the entire concept up, because it's supposed to be what the Titans are.

[Nightshade711]

https://imgur.com/a/xTdc2hM

Here's all the text for the new weapons

That void weapon’s text is interesting. The hope for playable Ethereals continues.
An Ethereal Artificer (assuming the artificer leak is true) would be really neat.

Though it’s interesting, would the implication be that Dimensius is the Harbinger or that he gave the staff to the Harbinger?

[Sondrelk]

I'm inclined to give it the benefit of doubt. Earthen and Atificers are different than what is normally put on expansion wish lists. Hell the world revamp is the only real buzzword it uses. No player housing or any evergreen feature mentioned. This doesn't strike me as a wishlist.

Earthen and Artificer especially seem off to me. Earthen because why would that be a new race? It's not desired by players, it doesnt fill a niche compared to the existing two dwarves, and we already had a new race in DF.
Artificer because why wouldnt you just call it Tinker instead of Artificer? The class it's seemingly attempting to emulate is plainly the Tinker, the well established archetype in Warcraft lore. Mekkatorque is even called High Tinker. Only way it could make sense is if Tinker is a spec.

[Puupi]

Who is Dimensius again?

Big voidwalker in Netherstorm.

[Bomba the Shaman]

I wonder what will they do with the talent trees next xpack? Sure they'll add 10 more points for new levels, and a few more talents, but will they try to expand the system somehow?

[Jaggler]

Well, we only got a small glimpse into the workings of the first one, I wouldn't draw too big of a conclusion out of it. We saw their work in the Death Realm. We don't know how their work looks like in Zereth Lumen, Zereth Vita etc. It's like seeing Eonar and concluding "Titans must be all about life". Not that i need or want that aspect to be explored, but drawing too man conclusions from Zereth Mortis could be misleading.

I wonder what will they do with the talent trees next xpack? Sure they'll add 10 more points for new levels, and a few more talents, but will they try to expand the system somehow?

The new talenttrees all in all have been a success, surely they will be tweaked, some reworked etc. But I don't see too much tinkering with it. I suppose it'll be like TBC, Wrath, etc: The tree gets expanded and you get more points.

[Raetary]

That void weapon’s text is interesting. The hope for playable Ethereals continues.
An Ethereal Artificer (assuming the artificer leak is true) would be really neat.

Though it’s interesting, would the implication be that Dimensius is the Harbinger or that he gave the staff to the Harbinger?

I'd say the implication is he bestowed the staff he to the Harbinger.

And the Harbinger is responsible to usher him in.

[PFKlax]

Also, importantly, don't forget about the Shadowscrawled coin at the start of DF...directly linking to the Ethereals.

"Thank you for the opportunity to observe you. The information I've gathered has been illuminating, to say the least. This will be my final gift... for now."

[Sondrelk]

I wonder what will they do with the talent trees next xpack? Sure they'll add 10 more points for new levels, and a few more talents, but will they try to expand the system somehow?

Doubtful. The idea here seems to be that they want to just give old Talent trees another shot, and having them expand every expansion was a problem, and why they eventually scrapped it, though that is a good few years away still.

[Cheezits]

While it's cool that he's back, it's a little disappointing that yet again the ONLY named void lord is Dimensius. Like we couldn't get a new name?

[Zankai27]

I wonder what will they do with the talent trees next xpack? Sure they'll add 10 more points for new levels, and a few more talents, but will they try to expand the system somehow?

They did say back when they announced DF that they had designed the trees to expand both vertically and horizontally with time, so hopefully they'll have something interesting to show with them

[D4NNYB0Y]

Earthen and Artificer especially seem off to me. Earthen because why would that be a new race? It's not desired by players, it doesnt fill a niche compared to the existing two dwarves, and we already had a new race in DF.
Artificer because why wouldnt you just call it Tinker instead of Artificer? The class it's seemingly attempting to emulate is plainly the Tinker, the well established archetype in Warcraft lore. Mekkatorque is even called High Tinker. Only way it could make sense is if Tinker is a spec.

Artificer is a more general name for an engineer in fantasy RPGs.

Tinker is specific to Gnomish and Goblin engineers. If they wanted to proliferate the class to more races they would want to use a less race-specific term.

Artificer is the engineering class in DnD, and also leans more towards magitech than traditional engineering tropes.

[Puupi]

I wonder what will they do with the talent trees next xpack? Sure they'll add 10 more points for new levels, and a few more talents, but will they try to expand the system somehow?

5 points per tree. And then they probably add more point requirements for the first two tiers of talents so you actually can't get more capstone stuff. And I doubt they will add much more talents anyway. Maybe shuffle things around a bit and introduce one new talent that actually does something.