Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Throren]

[bruxx]

I feel like forcing the pvp faction divide into lore is silly. Dracthyr, Death knights and Demon Hunters shouldn't be considered part of their respective factions, they are simply collaborating towards a common goal right now.

[Ersula]

Given that we not only find Titan stuff on Azeroth and Draenor, but in the Emerald Dream too, it would make the most sense that Progenitors/First Ones were just what the Titans were called in the Shadowlands.

Odyn and friends are like the Eternal Ones: magic cyborgs created in factories.

Elune either equal to or more powerful than the titans tho. And the Winter Queen is her sibling. Given the one thing we know for sure... that the Titans are a pantheon of order, Elune is part of the Pantheon of life & The Eternal Ones are the pantheon of death. And those are 3 of the 6 domains in the cosmology, credited to be designed by the First Ones.

There are two possible interpretations of this: Either the First Ones delegated to the Titans & their analogs; a series of pantheons to build what the first ones designed. Like the First Ones were the Titans' bosses.

Or

The First Ones is a literal term. Originally there were 6 Titan-analogs, and they each embodied one of the cosmic forces, and recruited more godlike entities to work with them, say for example Aman'thul was secretly a First One, the First one of Order & founder of the Pantheon of order. Elune was a first one, the first one of life & founder of the Pantheon of Life, etc.

[Nymrohd]

Is a moon going to drop on Blizccon? Elune expansion confirmed?

[Lorgar Aurelian]

please tell me, what quests the SL retconned.

Uthers tomb is the most obvious example where there are now apparently 3 uthers which is never addressed.

But really any quest about lingers spirits which should have been scooped up by bastion, Any quest where you go to the shaodwlands/afterlife like in the Dk starting area or howling Fjord, and any quest where a ghost/spirit tells us about the after life which both the cows and orcs have a few.

[Cheezits]

The lack of the faction Dracthyr feels intentional. If this is a two-part expansion then I'm sure we will get stories where they actually come into the factions.

[kavikor]

I got chills! I cant wait!

[matijwow]

Considering there are seemingly Titan level beings beyond the Dream, and considering the implication is that the Titans simply ordered it, rather than they did "create" it, imma assume the First Ones aren't the Titans, and that the Titans are simply what they've always been AKA the Pantheon of Order.

Relics existing in those realms means fuck all, especially since we know Progenitor also exist on worlds like Azeroth (or only exist on Azeroth idk), and are much harder to find.

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The embodiments of the Forces of the Pantheons. Why would the First Ones embody forces that their children already represent?

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Make sense y'all lol

Easiest fix is to say Winter Queen is wrong and Elune is not her sister. That's the lynchpin holding together the idea that the Titans, Eternal Ones, and Elune are all the same type of being but of a different magical flavor.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Easiest fix is to say Winter Queen is wrong and Elune is not her sister. That's the lynchpin holding together the idea that the Titans, Eternal Ones, and Elune are all the same type of being but of a different magical flavor.

They don’t even need to say she’s wrong just have it so there metaphorical sisters not literal ones like the incarnates are already doing in DF.

[Ersula]

Uthers tomb is the most obvious example where there are now apparently 3 uthers which is never addressed.

But really any quest about lingers spirits which should have been scooped up by bastion, Any quest where you go to the shaodwlands/afterlife like in the Dk starting area or howling Fjord, and any quest where a ghost/spirit tells us about the after life which both the cows and orcs have a few.

Astral Projection has always been a thing in WoW. Or how it was also explained its possible for a spirit to become disconnected from the natural cycle with the Drust. Why wouldn't a "ghost" of Uther be exactly like how a creature in the Emerald Dream can project itself into the world of the living. Especially when the Winter Queen explained the Emerald Dream has the same metaphysical relationship to the living world that the Shadowlands does.

How sad is it for the writers to be like "we're going to let you in on some of the Titan's secrets" and the fans respond "Retcons! Boo!"

The embodiments of the Forces of the Pantheons. Why would the First Ones embody forces that their children already represent?

That's how children always work. You embody the qualities of your parents.

[Cheezits]

Not even SOA is confirmed. Hoping we at least get a name leak beforehand.

[Nightshade711]

Ironically the binary leak (and implication of the cosmic items tbh) would be yet ANOTHER expansion where Blizzard ignores delving into the Light for a Titans vs Void war instead. They really don't seem interested in fleshing it out.

Well…
My personal theory is that the titans made a pact with the light.
The new in-game book showed Aman’thul ripping Elune’s world tree out of the world saying “this isn’t order!!!1!!1!”
So that’s yet another cosmic force that the titans are against. (Now it’s: Void, Disorder, Life, and possibly death.)
So if that’s true it makes the titans the “enemy of all”, and if the whisper of “the light has made a bargain with the enemy of all” we could have a Light/Titans vs Void expansion.

Which would make sense, the descriptions we’ve got of the light in A Thousand Years War sounds quite orderly.

(Maybe the bargain involved infusing a titan with the light like we see in Hearthstone & the light gets to survive in a fully ordered cosmos or something idk)

[Lorgar Aurelian]

How sad is it for the writers to be like "we're going to let you in on some of the Titan's secrets" and the fans respond "Retcons! Boo!"

If the writers had any skill in what they were doing they wouldn’t get complaints.

[Draedarr]

How, HOW DO I STILL FALL IN THIS TRAP

Yesterday i uploaded it to a new link just in case, and at least 2 fell on it :P

[The Stormbringer]

Given that we not only find Titan stuff on Azeroth and Draenor, but in the Emerald Dream too, it would make the most sense that Progenitors/First Ones were just what the Titans were called in the Shadowlands.

Odyn and friends are like the Eternal Ones: magic cyborgs created in factories.

Unfortunately that theory is wrong, because in Shadowlands they (the Brokers, I think) refer to the Titans and First Ones as separate beings.

[Thomir]

Where are the real leaks ...

[FlemmMinis]

Where are the real leaks ...

The real leaks are the friends we made along the way

[Foolicious]

Unfortunately that theory is wrong, because in Shadowlands they (the Brokers, I think) refer to the Titans and First Ones as separate beings.

Wasn't there also an interview that statet the titans basically stole what they know from the first ones? Thats why their methods and architecture is so similar to what we see in the shadowlands.

Not even SOA is confirmed. Hoping we at least get a name leak beforehand.

Wrath of the Bolvar. You heard it here first.

[Nightshade711]

Unfortunately that theory is wrong, because in Shadowlands they (the Brokers, I think) refer to the Titans and First Ones as separate beings.

I mean to be fair it would be incredibly easy for blizzard to pull the “unreliable narrator” thing for the brokers.

It makes so much more sense for them to be unreliable narrators/not knowing stuff than the titans

[Kiria]

Great news. I was already dreading on it. My highest loamm niffen is probably like 8.

Screw the Loamm Niffe, those little rats can go die ina fire and take their shitty cave dwelling with them D: