Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Vakir]

Or, and hear me out on this, I was feeling a little bit fed up with the endless line of con artists seeking their 5 minutes of fame with alleged "leaks" in this thread. So my spontaneous response was to poke fun with exaggerated contrasts.

It's not really that complicated, and sometimes it's not worth getting offended about every little thing, especially on behalf of others. Let it go, and enjoy your day.

I'd believe this if some Bronze Dragonflight pillars didn't lead to a certain Pepe Silvia-style frothing rant about some deeper meaning, dude.

Yeah if that's Khaz Algar I'm pretty hyped for it tbh

Honestly I think it's nearly unanimous that the peaks looking screenshot looks good on its own. It's the other 3 that drag it down to look extremely weak.

The new-ish icy hands look much better than the awful 20% new Triceratops.

[KyleEverett]

200 years in the future. Maybe even 500.

Everquest and Everquest 2 are two separate timelines that diverged when mortals raided the Plane of Time forcing the gods to do something.

[Chickat]

Now that they've brought Dimensius up again- apparently as the Harbinger (probably Xal'atath)'s backer- I wonder if Blizzard might be planning to flesh him out and build him up as a Sargeras-level Void antagonist. Give us a recognizable Void Lord as the endgame threat rather than keeping them as a faceless group.

Though if this is the case, I hope it's drawn out over a few expansions. As much as I'd love to go to K'aresh, even as an Argus-scale patch region, I'm worried that they might rush though the whole Void threat in a single expansion with something like tier 1 Iridikron, tier 2 Xal'atath, tier 3 Dimensius.

I would prefer if K'aresh is like Outland. Full expansion. But i would be satisfied with the Argus treatment. I wont be satisfied with the Nazjatar treatment.

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MMOs were also a niche genre until WoW exploded. Hero shooters were small scale and then Overwatch blew up (it was mismanaged from here on out but that's another topic). ARPGs aren't that big outside of Path of Exile but Diablo 3 and 4 still sold tons. Heck Starcraft 2 itself was released back when companies hardly took a second look at RTS games and it still sold very well. Despite it all Blizzard is still capable of selling a game to a huge audience almost no matter what it is. They just need to put some effort into it.

Doesn't mean I believe WC4 will happen or anything. Not when Blizz showed such a lack of care for Reforged and are going for a survival game, of all things, with their new IP. But I do feel like it could have happened had they done it properly.

If nothing else I'd definitely like them to actually use the Starcraft IP on something at least, so it isn't gathering dust. I get it's the least popular of their big three IPs but still, you don't make things more popular by not using them.

I agree. I think w4 would sell 10m on hype alone. I think it would do twice as well as StarCraft 2.

[Dismayxz]

The mag'har are gone. If anything it'd be like Lightbound, Ogres, Botani and maybe Arakkoa.

I might be super behind but just in case, his point was more about an RTS that shows how things went down from the end of WoD to what we saw in BFA where the Mag'har left to our timeline.

[lostsoup]

Even if they did make Warcraft 4 that doesn't mean it'd be any good, and people probably wouldn't be very hype for it after Warcraft 3 Reforged and Blizzard's recent reputation.

[Chickat]

Everquest and Everquest 2 are two separate timelines that diverged when mortals raided the Plane of Time forcing the gods to do something.

Yeah, I was gonna say they could even do AU Azeroth. Or they could do War of the ancients etc. Plenty of times in history they could do.

[bitterwinter]

That's what i'm hoping to see. Normal zones with massive interesting things beneath them. Id be surprised if there isn't some kind of underground stuff regardless of what the theme ends up being.

Yeah I think that'd be super fun It could be like a cool blend between the two with differing biomes for each.

[Dismayxz]

Which of the four zones do you think will likely be the best based on the current "leak?"

Imo the first. Reminds me of DA:I's Storm Coast a lot, even better if it does have a coastal section.

[kavikor]

I might be super behind but just in case, his point was more about an RTS that shows how things went down from the end of WoD to what we saw in BFA where the Mag'har left to our timeline.

Im a big alternate timeline evil light hater, but man an RTS in the alternate timeline of the Lightforged vs the Ogre Empire/Mag'har survivors would actually be so cool

[Cheezits]

Im a big alternate timeline evil light hater, but man an RTS in the alternate timeline of the Lightforged vs the Ogre Empire/Mag'har survivors would actually be so cool

Agreed. Show what's going on with the Gorian remnants as a campaign, and the Botani could be the Night Elf equivalent that are crazy and doing their own thing. It would honestly be a lot of fun.

[Chickat]

Someone said the new cinematic will be narrated by Xalatath. So… this could have been her voice.

Or they are also the riddle leaker who said that. Still fun to speculate.

[NoTimeToDie5426]

Im a big alternate timeline evil light hater, but man an RTS in the alternate timeline of the Lightforged vs the Ogre Empire/Mag'har survivors would actually be so cool

That would be sweet. Might even give them an opportunity to explore some of the cut content/lore from WoD.

[Chickat]

Whoah I did not expect arakoa-marmalin to be in it but glad to see such a mighty presence.

I'm not familiar with the person who rides a griffon while wearing a horned helm and a shoulder piece, who are they?

Woah, that's a lot of Metzen. Not complaining though. Is it me or is the dude kinda hot? Dad hot..

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The "sultry" voice is definitely Magatha Grimtotem.

Lilian Voss for sure.

[Teriz]

If its a boring island again would you keep playing? Or do you plan on a break?

If it's those boring Avaloren zones in the "leak" I'm probably taking a break. Not really interested in Dragon Isles 2.0.

One thing I like about new WoW expansions is that they do something different with each expansion. I'm looking for that with 11.0.

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As long as the tunnel is a bit less annoying than the Valdrakken <-> Zaralek one and allows me to go at higher speeds without running into the walls. I get that is part of the point of it as if you go too fast you run into errors/freezes, but would be great if that was improved. Maybe just a long-ass downwards tunnel instead of a sidewards one.

Maybe if the mount gave you a warning when you were approaching a wall or an obstacle? I think that would help.

[klaussf]

[Izalla]

Okay I haven't seen anyone make bingo cards yet but here is mine:

[Dismayxz]

Agreed. Show what's going on with the Gorian remnants as a campaign, and the Botani could be the Night Elf equivalent that are crazy and doing their own thing. It would honestly be a lot of fun.

Gorian Campaign in general that's less focused on what we got to see of Draenor would be key, imo. At least for the first few missions. They put that whole Goria (?) Continent down in the left corner, and it's just been sitting there. If I'm not mistaken that is the ogre continent, no? Show us Ogres getting ready on their home turf to reinforce whatever small remnants from Bladespire and Highmaul remained against the Mag'har and Draenei and how their fates turned out with the Lightbound.

[Chickat]

The only plausible scenario for Avaloren to be real now is imho if it‘s indeed 10.3 and we’re getting the next expansion not until 2025 because it contains a world revamp and is too ambitious to release next year. I think most players would be fine with this if the next expansion really is bombastic and delivers on all fronts like Legion back in the day. That’s really the only plausible scenario where a 10.3 Avaloren makes any sense.

99% not happening imo, but absolutely that would be cool.

10.2.5-Jan
102.7-march
10.3- Avaloren Mini continent- May Size of 2 dragon isles zones.
10.3.5 final story patch- August
10.3.7- November fated season.
Prepatch for 11.0 world revamp- April 2025
11.0 launch- June 2025.

[Catastrophy349]

If it's those boring Avaloren zones in the "leak" I'm probably taking a break. Not really interested in Dragon Isles 2.0.

One thing I like about new WoW expansions is that they do something different with each expansion. I'm looking for that with 11.0.

I think if 11.0 is an extension of 10.0, that is a great idea from a narrative perspective. Going from one setting/story, then drastically to another (as many expansions have in the past) clearly hasn't been effective. Stick to the threads built upon in DF and continue them into 11.0.

Time will tell. I think the 4 images are fine. We just need to see more, get real context for them, and learn the features.

[Nymrohd]

that poor dwarf