Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Sondrelk]

I guess they would be, they are enchanting reagents after all. As for flightstones it seems we will be getting them in bundle items so hopefully they will automatically become currency instead of having to be used from the bag.

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Past a point you do need crests. Obviously low level crests will be useless to many players. I hope they have at least a vendor cost and you don't have to delete them manually.
As for primal infusions yeah, they are useless now but they were very useful for much of the season.

I think there were four different crests, and you only needed two for whatever upgrades. So i imagine that your bag filling with crests won't be a consistent issue unless you are a cutting edge raider hoping to upgrade potential busted WQ items. The lowest level obes will be quickly obsolete, and the highest level ones will be unobtainable to most players.

[Nymrohd]

I think there were four different crests, and you only needed two for whatever upgrades. So i imagine that your bag filling with crests won't be a consistent issue unless you are a cutting edge raider hoping to upgrade potential busted WQ items. The lowest level obes will be quickly obsolete, and the highest level ones will be unobtainable to most players.

Aspect crests will generally not be seen by a lot of players, sure. It's still more inventory junk though. I just like my bags to be tidy

[Shadowferal]

I too, enjoy making baseless assertions. But based on current lore, your claim is incorrect. Teldrassil lies in ashes, Darkshore is gone, Azshara is under complete Horde control, Ashenvale has been mostly destroyed or occupied by the Horde, Felwood is still the hellhole it's been for thousands of years, and Moonglade is more of a Druid sanctuary than anything else. You could argue there are some Night Elves holed up on Mount Hyjal, and there are probably pockets of their civilization still intact here and there in the surrounding forests. But overall, northern Kalimdor is definitely less controlled by the Night Elves than it was in Vanilla.

My version if WoW 2.0 holds Teldrassil never burned. Ashenvale cleansed from the horde pestilence, with Splintertree Post as a druid sanctuary. Silverwing Refuge is more a garrison with a portal to Azshara garrison where a battle ousted the feculent goblins. On the opposite shoreline are cautious naga traders, with naga guards (scaled level is always "red" to any who attack)

Night Elves will have a militancy that is mitigated by their alliance with the Tauren nation that will posit spirituality in actions and shared in part with precepts of Elune.

[Hellspawn]

I too, enjoy making baseless assertions. But based on current lore, your claim is incorrect.

Teldrassil lies in ashes, Darkshore is gone, Azshara is under complete Horde control, Ashenvale has been mostly destroyed or occupied by the Horde, Felwood is still the hellhole it's been for thousands of years, and Moonglade is more of a Druid sanctuary than anything else.

You could argue there are some Night Elves holed up on Mount Hyjal, and there are probably pockets of their civilization still intact here and there in the surrounding forests.

But overall, northern Kalimdor is definitely less controlled by the Night Elves than it was in Vanilla.

That is not entirely true. This is from Exploring Kalimdor (wowpedia article):
"Even with its many losses, Ashenvale remains a lush wilderness filled with chittering animals, clear rivers and lakes, and towering trees. The Horde continues its lumber operations at the Warsong Lumber Camp, and the Sentinels attack Splintertree Post and patrol the Ashenvale border."

So they are maybe a bit less in control... and the forest is less populated by Nelfs. But they still control most of the forest. I think the Horde even lost control to at least one or two ways into Ashenvale so it is unknown how they get the lumber out of the forest now. I think it was implied that there are not enough Sentinels to keep the Horde out of the forest.
Exploring Kalimdor was a messy book, so who knows what it will look like if they ever update it ingame.

Felwood is still the hellhole it's been for thousands of years

No it wasn't, it is that way only since WC3 (so for maybe 30-50 years?) but yeah according to Exploring Kalimdor there are still fel creatures everywhere. (Even through during cata it was said that it is healing.
It is almost like a certain person who wrote the book just wrote down what he saw currently ingame (or it was initially planned to be about the vanilla state)

In the Exploring Kalimdor book Alliance also rearmed Northwatch in the Barrens, almost everything went back to the state of Cataclysm!

[Cheezits]

All the Exploring books so far have taken place before the timeskip, so there's a 3-5 year gap between them and what they currently would look like during DF. So they don't have to adhere to anything in the books, they are just a snapshot of their Cata-BFA state.

While people wanted them to give new revamp-ish lore to the zones, it makes sense that they wouldn't lock themselves into anything: they don't want to promise anything about the zones in case they A) can't change them B) change their minds later.

[Nymrohd]

No it wasn't, it is that way only since WC3 (so for maybe 30-50 years?) but yeah according to Exploring Kalimdor there are still fel creatures everywhere. (Even through during cata it was said that it is healing.

The druids definitely had advanced a bit with Felwood having restored some areas but it is clearly a work in progress. I honestly don't mind Felwood it is a very interesting place and always wondered why they did not make Jaedenar a dungeon; place is massive.

[Murlocos]

I don't remember how they advertised the Exploring books, but there definitely seemed to be an expectation that they'd showcase the changes in the world that has largely been stagnant in-game since Cataclysm. What we ended up getting was a summary of Cataclysm with some of the BfA updates thrown in there. It's hard to even chart out what happened in BfA because 90% of it was in off-screen mission tables with contradictory events and outcomes. The status of Gilneas seems to completely change every time someone at Blizzard writes about it.

[Khaza-R]

The Exploring books were fine as a recap but should of offered a lot more teasers for readers to sink their teeth into. The fanbase loves wild speculation and the writers most definitely missed an opportunity to capitalize on that.

[Cheezits]

I think they are reallllly brainstorming what they want EK/Kalimdor to look like in the future, and that's probably why they did the timeskip (so they wouldn't have to be beholden to any old media: the world IS advanced now, we have just yet to see it).

[Lorgar Aurelian]

If they actually do a world revamp the exploring books being how they are would make sense as they would be an easy before and after for the revamp.

[Cheezits]

If the Dream/World Tree is the second new zone, I wonder if we are getting a third new zone as well. It will definitely be tied to the Bronze but I wonder how that would play out, unless it's another "chunk of the world, in a certain time" similar to Primalist Future (maybe Primalist Past?)

[Khaza-R]

If the Dream/World Tree is the second new zone, I wonder if we are getting a third new zone as well. It will definitely be tied to the Bronze but I wonder how that would play out, unless it's another "chunk of the world, in a certain time" similar to Primalist Future (maybe Primalist Past?)

I guess it depends what their plan with the Dream is. I am guessing they need it to "reset" Azeroth back to its original pre-Titan design. Its possible they get thwarted and then have to resort to using time magic as a last ditch effort. Which I think would lead us more into the past rather than the future.

[Lady Atia]

I guess it depends what their plan with the Dream is. I am guessing they need it to "reset" Azeroth back to its original pre-Titan design. Its possible they get thwarted and then have to resort to using time magic as a last ditch effort. Which I think would lead us more into the past rather than the future.

Imagine us restoring Tyr in 10.2 during the campaign only to go back in time and figure out that he was actually as much a dickhead as Odyn.

[Berkilak]

Ion just put any third spec for Evoker speculation to bed. Directly dismissed. Gave us the spiel about "Anything is possible down the line" that he uses when he doesn't want to upset anyone when shutting something down.

Given context, my guess would be that there was a third spec happening, the writers wrote it that way, but the designers couldn't make it work, so they focused on the remaining two.

[Makabreska]

Ion just put any third spec for Evoker speculation to bed. Directly dismissed. Gave us the spiel about "Anything is possible down the line" that he uses when he doesn't want to upset anyone when shutting something down.

Given context, my guess would be that there was a third spec happening, the writers wrote it that way, but the designers couldn't make it work, so they focused on the remaining two.

???

He said it is not coming in 10.1, which was pretty damn obvious. And nothing else. Directly dismissed my ass.

[Berkilak]

???

He said it is not coming in 10.1, which was pretty damn obvious. And nothing else. Directly dismissed my ass.

He overtly said it was something they toyed with, but were apparently unsuccessful in removing all the remaining vestiges before it hit the PTR.

[Makabreska]

And as expected:

Patch 10.1.5 PTR will be up shortly after Patch 10.1.

[Grapejuicee]

He overtly said it was something they toyed with, but were apparently unsuccessful in removing all the remaining vestiges before it hit the PTR.

I think wording is very important.

"No 3rd spec for 10.1",speaks volumes of what they might have planned, even for future expansions.

[Cheezits]

Sounds like they really want to confirm all-mount Dragonriding in the future but can't.

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And as expected:

Patch 10.1.5 PTR will be up shortly after Patch 10.1.

I'll be very surprised if the Megadungeon is Bronze related, considering there is currently nothing pointing to them getting story in 10.1.

[Sondrelk]

Sounds like they really want to confirm all-mount Dragonriding in the future but can't.

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I'll be very surprised if the Megadungeon is Bronze related, considering there is currently nothing pointing to them getting story in 10.1.

Megadungeons have never really got any prior foreshadowing. At least not in any major way. The foreshadowing for Mechagon was literally a side quest in Tiragarde Sound.
If anything the abundance of Bronze Dragonflight stuff in Thaldraszus would make it more heavily foreshadowed than prior megadungeons have been.