Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[blaatschaap]

Wielding the Light is a matter of faith. You can do horrendous amoral acts, but if you have strong belief in the righteniousness of your actions, the Light will answer.

After Shadowlands, Anduin has lost hist faith. And the Light has been so strong cornerstone of his character that this will be an arduous character arc for him.

Indeed. Gonna be an interesting story for sure.

[Chickat]

I genuinely thought they'd said "past" Quel'Thalas, but I might have misunderstood that, I'm not a native speaker.
Trying to replay it as we speak!

Yeah, im gonna need some clarification.

I cant wait for interviews to start coming out.

[Vynestra]

Leak season is officially dead until 14.0

I couldn't be happier.

[Sondrelk]

Based on what we've seen today, I think this BlizzCon was a smidge overhyped by Blizzard.

I like what's been announced overall. There's nothing I really dislike about it, to be honest. That's what matters the most. But I don't think it was one of their best.

> Worldsoul Saga is cool, but if you look at the tangible news we got, we don't really know more about the future than we usually do after an expansion announcement. This didn't "change Warcraft" or whatever. It might end up changing Warcraft 3-4 years from now, but it doesn't feel like I've been overwhelmed by groundbreaking changes. Azeroth hasn't changed for me. In fact, I'm not even sure how they're capitalising on the anniversary thing. Chris mentioned it, but the expansion we're actually getting in 2024 is pretty standard by the looks of things, even if it's part of a greater whole. Perhaps showing us more from 12.0 and 13.0 would've helped, so we'd understand their grand vision?

> D4 expansion was just teased, not detailed. I like the theme though. Should've told us about the class imo.

> HS expansion came a week ago, and is more of the same. Nice, not earth shattering.

> Rumble is cool, I guess.

> HotS still dead.

> StarCraft still dead.

> No news on Oddyssey.

> Nothing about consoles, Game Pass, etc. (Although it was nice seeing Phil Spencer.)

> Nothing about expanding the Warcraft IP to other media or anything like that. Still just doing the same games (plus Rumble).

I have to disagree. The way the World soul Saga was announced, hinting at annual expansions, is to me intriguing enough news that it warrants the extra hype.

[Vakir]

Yeah, im gonna need some clarification.

I cant wait for interviews to start coming out.

Chris said "the Old World" but that could mean, just, older locations gradually reworked.

[GhostFish]

War Within seems very much in the concept stage still. I find that kind of shocking.

[Chickat]

Based on what we've seen today, I think this BlizzCon was a smidge overhyped by Blizzard.

I like what's been announced overall. There's nothing I really dislike about it, to be honest. That's what matters the most. But I don't think it was one of their best.

> Worldsoul Saga is cool, but if you look at the tangible news we got, we don't really know more about the future than we usually do after an expansion announcement. This didn't "change Warcraft" or whatever. It might end up changing Warcraft 3-4 years from now, but it doesn't feel like I've been overwhelmed by groundbreaking changes. Azeroth hasn't changed for me. In fact, I'm not even sure how they're capitalising on the anniversary thing. Chris mentioned it, but the expansion we're actually getting in 2024 is pretty standard by the looks of things, even if it's part of a greater whole. Perhaps showing us more from 12.0 and 13.0 would've helped, so we'd understand their grand vision?

> D4 expansion was just teased, not detailed. I like the theme though. Should've told us about the class imo.

> HS expansion came a week ago, and is more of the same. Nice, not earth shattering.

> Rumble is cool, I guess.

> HotS still dead.

> StarCraft still dead.

> No news on Oddyssey.

> Nothing about consoles, Game Pass, etc. (Although it was nice seeing Phil Spencer.)

> Nothing about expanding the Warcraft IP to other media or anything like that. Still just doing the same games (plus Rumble).

IMO, next year Microsoft will have owned them a year so thats enough time for some changes.

I can see WoW 11.0 patch talk.
Oddyssey unveiling
hearthstone new game mode
Diablo 4 season info
Classic new season with even more ideas.
MoP classic announced. very early i know.
Heroes of the Storm rebooted.

[Vakir]

War Within seems very much in the concept stage still. I find that kind of shocking.

Seems right for Fall 2024.

[The Stormbringer]

But it says unite the scattered elf tribes. Calling them tribes makes me thing that they are ancient.

Let's think about this another way. Say it's the past, right? Chances are it'd be quite a while in the past, right? Then why would they be scattered if the Sunwell was formed? As far as we know, it was always the Quel'dorei living in Quel'thalas, after the Sunwell was formed. And the Void are coming for the Sunwell. So the Elves would not be scattered.

Now, obviously they could make up some lore to make this work, but I'm pretty dang sure they're gonna be integrating Quel'thalas with the main world and updating it for this. Maybe even the Plaguelands.

I could be wrong, but I think they won't do a second time travel expansion.

[Nadiru]

War Within seems very much in the concept stage still. I find that kind of shocking.

Bro there's literally gameplay clips

[Chickat]

Chris said "the Old World" but that could mean, just, older locations gradually reworked.

But what was that about elf tribes? There are no elf tribes in modern Warcraft.

[Fahrad Wagner]

Metzen said about Midnight "In this chapter, you will be returning to the old world. To the fabled lands of Quel'Thalas. There, the forces of the Void have invaded Azeroth intent on snuffing out the light of the Sunwell and plunging the world into darkness and fear. You will not only help reunify the scattered elven tribes of Azeroth but you will make your stand with the forces of the light and banish the shadow forever."

My understanding was wrong, thank god no time travel! sorry about the confusion

[Kathranis]

Now that the Harbinger is confirmed to be Xal'atath, and the Children of the First Flesh who toil in the deep are confirmed to be Old God bugs, I wonder what this means for the "A Song of the Depths" prophecy.

The visions Azeroth is giving everyone are called the Radiant Song.

Thread moving quickly, sorry if it's already been pointed out.

I genuinely thought they'd said "past" Quel'Thalas, but I might have misunderstood that, I'm not a native speaker.
Trying to replay it as we speak!

Chris said we'd return to "the old world" which is just shorthand players have always used for Eastern Kingdoms, Kalimdor, and other zones.

There is absolutely no indication of any time travel being involved. The void is invading present day Quel'thalas in Midnight and that will be rebuilt as the new "continent" for that expansion.

[Xilurm]

Season of Discovery honestly looks so fun. They can do so many things with it. Can't wait to visit the crypts.

[blaatschaap]

It's a virtual guarantee Microsoft will want to use the warcraft and StarCraft IPs to do some RTS games imo. They still believe in the genre

[Fahrad Wagner]

But what was that about elf tribes? There are no elf tribes in modern Warcraft.

I think he meant reuniting ren'dorei, quel'dorei and sin'dorei, perhaps nightborne and kaldorei too!

[Chickat]

Bro there's literally gameplay clips

Yeah it seems pretty far along to me.

Id say Alpha in Feb.
Prepatch August.
Release September.

That leaves a quick fated season from like May to August.

[Nymrohd]

I have to disagree. The way the World soul Saga was announced, hinting at annual expansions, is to me intriguing enough news that it warrants the extra hype.

Apart from WoW everyone else got nothing. OW got a hero everyone expected and that's it. HS will get a new mode which I guess is OK. D4 they had very little to show. Starcraft stays dead, Odyssey is MIA, no cross media promotions. Yes, WoW got a lot for both retail and classic but the company itself did not have that much to show outside one IP.

[Cheezits]

Metzen said about Midnight "In this chapter, you will be returning to the old world. To the fabled lands of Quel'Thalas. There, the forces of the Void have invaded Azeroth intent on snuffing out the light of the Sunwell and plunging the world into darkness and fear. You will not only help reunify the scattered elven tribes of Azeroth but you will make your stand with the forces of the light and banish the shadow forever."

My understanding was wrong, thank god no time travel! sorry about the confusion

I think Metzen said tribes because A) Metzen and B) the Night Elves don't have a formal kingdom

[Harbour]

To me annual expansions means 'pay more frequently for less'. The way Metzen pitched made expansions sound more like patches, with story focused on a few zones and one theme. Except they are not free. And announcement made WoW feel like Destiny 2, with its thematic expansions. Which devalues the game's look.

Oh an also its not F2P.