Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Mentaldemise]

So with the recent announcements, is it safe to say leak season is going to be gone for a long time? now that we know the names of the expansions and their themes does that mean leak season is officially dead?

I mean what else is there for people to leak that would even seem remotely plausible for the next 5+ years, I guess it could be classes or zones but I feel like them announcing the themes and names so far ahead leaks are going to seem even more fake when they start popping up in 3 years from now.

[Stonecloak]

I mean, we’re assuming a lot here, about expansion length and how much content. I’m sure we’ll get a clearer picture today about that. I think it’s also important to understand cutting out a years time from expansion also cuts out the subscription revenue from that, but I think the philosophy is they know 2 years is too long to keep a lot of people engaged the whole time. They want us to stick around, and a year cycle would do that for a lot imo.

Cutting out the end of an expansion drought would be huge by virtually eliminating that time. So, maybe we do get one less patch worth of content meant to last a long time. Like the patch we’re getting soon in retail, but we’d have another expansion in its place at the same time. We’re also losing that year of subbing. So, it’ll be interesting how this plays out. Yes, we’d be paying for an expansion earlier, but we’d also be getting a lot more content quicker. The comparison between Investment paid vs content is tough to debate without a road map. Hopefully today we get an idea, but I agree with a 2 raid tier 3 season approach. Maybe we get an extra island or zone in the second raid patch.

[Gigantique]

Problem is that there is no "elven tribes" in current day, that might be the case in the past, but not today.

But oh well, retcons are blizzard greatest weapon, i can imagine they saying there is so many varieties of diverse blood elf tribes, despite they undergoing a massive cleansing after the scourge.

Might be referring to Blood Elves, High Elves and Void Elves?

[Jaggler]

Really hoping for a roadmap because fall 2024 still is far away.

They could release the roadmap, once 10.2.5 is on the PTR, probably sometimes next week or the week after.

A season lasts about 6 months, that should put us at about End of May/Start of June next year. From there we'd have about 3-4 months for a fated season. before Pre-oatch for TWW hits.

Why are people so hung up about the word "tribes" lol. He is clearly referring about Belves, Helves and Velves who all consider Quel'thalas their home. The Nightborne are closely allied with the Belves and maybe the Nelves won't stand idly by while another races home is being destroy just like what happened to Teldrassil.

[Shadochi]

Really hoping for a roadmap because fall 2024 still is far away.

Same, especially with how often they mentioned that they are happy with the DF 8 week release schedule.

[Nymrohd]

Same, especially with how often they mentioned that they are happy with the DF 8 week release schedule.

Honestly I feel the 8 week release schedule is so much smoke and mirrors. It is just content cut from the main patch and distributed after. It is timegating that you hide behind patch numbers.

[Matticus777]

Earthen confirmed to be 25% bigger than normal Dwarves is a good differential. Now if they can give them an option for rock/crystal hair and beards I'll be sold

[Trad skeleton]

Might be referring to Blood Elves, High Elves and Void Elves?

Blood elves, High Elves, Void Elves and Naga. Maybe even the Nightborne since the leaders married and have maybe integrated a bit.

[Nymrohd]

Blood elves, High Elves, Void Elves and Naga. Maybe even the Nightborne since the leaders married and have maybe integrated a bit.

Night elves too; the night elves include ancient Highborne among them

[Teriz]

I suppose that wouldn't be the end of the world. It's true that Blademasters are quite a bit closer to monks than warriors as they are in WoW. I just wish they would make it so monks were a bit less reliant on their connection to the Celestials.

I guess it would be BM+WW. IIRC Blademasters have wild swinging similar to the "drunken fist" theme but with giant swords.

I believe overall, this hero talent concept is going to be a game changer. I'm just waiting for a full list to see what WC3 heroes are going to be slotted into existing classes. I'm willing to beat that Survival is going to get Headhunters, and Shaman are going to get Witch Doctors and Shadow Hunters. Death Knights are definitely going to get Lichs and Necromancers.

I'm really curious to see what Demon Hunters and Evokers get.

[Viridiel]

I have a feeling the crystal in Hallowfall (awful name, people are going to call it Hallowfell, Hollowfall, Hollowfell...) is either an Old God seed that got infused with the Light or a Light equivalent of an Old God seed. I reckon it could still be under Silithus though and maybe it was what Sargeras was actually aiming at. Presumably it could also be what Xal'atath is looking for and she needs to empower the Nerubians to actually be able to fight against the Arathi to get to it and complete its darkening with Galakrond's essence.

[Nymrohd]

Apparently it's not the sword but a crystal of sorts per the What's Next lady.

Which makes sense because the entire region seems to have evolved around the crystal light and if it was the sword it would be only around a decade old gove or take?

It very much looks like Oshugun and has Naaru glyphs all over it.

[Raetary]

I hope we get a new roadmap today.

[Joszef Kiprich]

I believe overall, this hero talent concept is going to be a game changer. I'm just waiting for a full list to see what WC3 heroes are going to be slotted into existing classes. I'm willing to beat that Survival is going to get Headhunters, and Shaman are going to get Witch Doctors and Shadow Hunters. Death Knights are going to get Lichs and Necromancers definitely.

I'm really curious to see what Demon Hunters and Evokers get.

I see my Unholy DK already as a bit of a Necromancer. Lich would be kind of cool, maybe a spell based ranged type of DK.

[Zaganite]

Something definitely happened there, I listened to Metzen again and he doesn't mention time travel, so either some of us got confused by the "return back to" + "tribes" combo, or we're missing something?

It's just this, it was the wording used but I don't believe he meant time travel just returning to the world of old. I took it that he was hinting at revamp of the zones but without saying it.

On a seperate note it's disappointing to see so many already putting the expansion down. TWW will be a bit slower then the other two but if anyone rememberd any film sagas it's the same premise. The underground feels claustrophobic thing, people clearly don't have an imagination. None of these zones bar the Nerubians previewed felt underground and they have explicitly said they are making sure it isn't felt.

Go watch Godzilla V Kong to help your imagination with a hollow earth inspiration and wait for more previews before beating it down

[Baedril]

As for WW, mixed feelings so far but becoming better with the interviews coming out so all in all i would say its not gonna be bad for me.
Tho I really do hope that Fated season or 1 year expansions aren't going to become a thing in Worldsoul saga (tho I guess fated season are already a thing in DF).

Yeah, I didn't mind fated in SL but if they're just gonna keep doing it, it honestly feels a bit lazy to me. Feel the same way overall though, disappointed but I'm sure I'll enjoy the content I do and all the interviews and panels have only improved my feelings.

[Sondrelk]

It's way too early to tell. WIth SL and DF it's way more likely, that we will have a 3-tier expansion cycle.
We know so little about the zones, and the stories that we can't talk about whether there is enough meat.

There is Azj-Kahet, we could be journying under silithus, that sword will CLEARLY play a role, then there is that crystal in harrowsdeep, which i presum is something like Oshu'gun, a crashed naaru-vessel whose naaru is dying. There could be some titan stuff as well. there are way more options.

Midnight could have us travel to K'Aresh, Argus-style, have an ethereal raid, etc.

And they have more than enough time to set up story-lines for TLL

I mean, I am not going to say it's not going to happen. I am however saying that I feel it's much more likely the expansions will be shorter and more focused compared to previous ones that had to be more broad to prevent burnout.

[Cosmic Janitor]

So with the recent announcements, is it safe to say leak season is going to be gone for a long time? now that we know the names of the expansions and their themes does that mean leak season is officially dead?

I mean what else is there for people to leak that would even seem remotely plausible for the next 5+ years, I guess it could be classes or zones but I feel like them announcing the themes and names so far ahead leaks are going to seem even more fake when they start popping up in 3 years from now.

I mean the stupid name is only a fraction of a leak. At the end of the day people can still write their fan-fic content and story ideas all day long.

[Xilurm]

The whole "unite the tribes of elves" worries me. That's the only thing that has me skeptical about this whole thing.

[Sondrelk]

I see my Unholy DK already as a bit of a Necromancer. Lich would be kind of cool, maybe a spell based ranged type of DK.

Unholy really struggles with being a melee spec in my opinion. They try so hard to shoehorn in the concept of using a sword when it's clear the theme fits a ranged spellcaster much better.
Who even likes the Festering Wound mechanic?