Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Sondrelk]

If you didn't get CE because of Fated... You were not getting CE without fated lmao.

I am pretty sure you could have just ran it when Sepulcher was not the fated raid of the week and gotten the benefits of much better and more varied gear on top of that.

[Teriz]

But who made the fake Avaloren screenshots?..

Who knows, but let's be happy those screens were fake.

[Varodoc]

the mystery remains as far as I am aware

We should have known that Avaloren leak was fake, in hindsight we should have easily known. That leak should have never been that popular.

There was no way they brought back Metzen to reveal Dragon Isles #2.

The dead giveaway that the leak was fake was just how mundane and unambitious it was. There was just no ambition in it at all. Literally just Dragon Isles #2.

With the Worldsoul saga, you can complain about gameplay systems all you want, but you can't deny that it's ambitious in terms of storytelling, setting, and simply put, hype.

[Makabreska]

If you didn't get CE because of Fated... You were not getting CE without fated lmao.

Idiotic take. Sepulcher lasted 5 months, the shortest ever final raid that was also very hard. You are telling us that those ~4 months taken by Fated wouldn't help?

[huth]

I dont disagree, I did try to keep my expectations low but metzen hyped me up :P.

Delves isnt a new feature really, is it? we've had similar stuff before and just to be clear, I fucking LOVE these, I think DF not having any of these "scenarios" is such a missed opportunity. I really look forward to having them as an evergreen feature, but again, not a big NEW feature imo.

Warbands is nice sure, but I pretty much only play 1 or at most 2 classes anyway so its not something big for me.

We don't really know enough about Delves to say. I imagine we'll learn a bit in the deep dive today.

A big difference is that they're from the start planned to be long-term features extending beyond just TWW and are intentionally meant as a gear progression path.

[pacotaco]

so what do we think the odds are of Blizzcon 2024 having a feature trailer deep-dive and pre-purchase of midnight?

If what Metzen suggested is right, pretty high.

[Zers Editor]

So far, it's obvious that the big reveal in The Last Titan will be that Azeroth is a creator/progenitor of all Cosmic Forces, and thus the Universe.

In the book in 10.2: "Perhaps Azeroth herself was touched by all these forces. Or could she be their true source?". They've been going with it since 9.2 and Metzen is clearly intent on continuing.

In other words, the Titans are themselves the children of Azeroth. Upon learning it, being the one who perceived Order and the Titans as alien to the planet and who did and sacrificed A LOT to have them dead, Iridikron will go completely mad and will try to destroy the World Soul, becoming the final boss.

That's how I see it, anyway.

[arandomuser]

If you didn't get CE because of Fated... You were not getting CE without fated lmao.

lol yeah but its a common copium i see in guilds my rank of why they didnt like fated, but i liked it, but sepulcher was cut pretty short for its difficulty imo

[Fahrad Wagner]

We should have known that Avaloren leak was fake, in hindsight we should have easily known. That leak should have never been that popular.

There was no way they brought back Metzen to reveal Dragon Isles #2.

The dead giveaway that the leak was fake was just how mundane and unambitious it was. There was just no ambition in it at all. Literally just Dragon Isles #2.

With the Worldsoul saga, you can complain about gameplay systems all you want, but you can't deny that it's ambitious in terms of storytelling, setting, and simply put, hype.

I mean I called it fake since day 1, I still considered Avaloren possible but those 4 screenshots were crap (and I'm honestly a little preoccupied at how gullible people are in general, seriously none of these assets were new).

And agreed, WS saga is very ambitious and I think it's just what we needed! I'm very excited for Midnight (I imagine you are too )

[Varodoc]

I mean I called it fake since day 1, I still considered Avaloren possible but those 4 screenshots were crap (and I'm honestly a little preoccupied at how gullible people are in general, seriously none of these assets were new).

And agreed, WS saga is very ambitious and I think it's just what we needed! I'm very excited for Midnight (I imagine you are too )

I was willing to give it a chance, but only if it had a hype and serious story.

Basically, if Avaloren had a mixture of The World Within and Midnight stories (Alleria vs. Xal'atath rivalry leading into major Void invasion), I would have been willing to give it a chance.

Just like I gave a chance to Highmountain (boring, mundane Tauren zone with a bunch of huts) on the premise that the main storyline revolved around the Legion's return.

But in terms of setting, The Worldsoul saga is objectively better than Avaloren.

[Super Dickmann]

We should all celebrate that at long last we've broken the streak of expansions with night elf forests. They'll be back for World of Warcraft: Midnight(elves) but for now let's treasure the brief reprieve.

[Paula Deen]

We don't really know enough about Delves to say. I imagine we'll learn a bit in the deep dive today.

A big difference is that they're from the start planned to be long-term features extending beyond just TWW and are intentionally meant as a gear progression path.

I am gonna be really surprised if the Delves are not identical to ESO Delves.

[Marlamin]

It's not low res for WoW, but it would be slightly too low res for what appears to be a customizable mount (the Algarian Stormrider). Not sure, though. Could just be a small minor departure from the customizable mounts that came before it. Doesn't neccesarily rule anything out.

So the texture was indeed for the mount, but it being low res now makes sense as it's meant to be a prebaked NPC skin texture for the mount, which are rather low res. It is also not actually a customization option as it is much darker than the blue skin the mount has, so this might actually be an NPC skin from The War Within or an earlier version of the mounts skin.

[pacotaco]

Speaking of which did they suggest when those Earthen would be playable? Next patch? 11.0? Or will we have to wait until 11.1 like Kul Tirans & Zandalari?

They implied that we first need to help them create new earthen (that they would be the playable characters). So I expect 11.0 helping them reunify the 3 factions so they can create new ones together (the traditionalist have the knowledge, the machinist the machines and the rebels the free will)

[Varodoc]

We should all celebrate that at long last we've broken the streak of expansions with night elf forests. They'll be back for World of Warcraft: Midnight(elves) but for now let's treasure the brief reprieve.

Midnight will be an expansion only about elven forests.

So enjoy this small reprieve.

[Paula Deen]

Idiotic take. Sepulcher lasted 5 months, the shortest ever final raid that was also very hard. You are telling us that those ~4 months taken by Fated wouldn't help?

Literally no one. And I mean no one. In the history of anyone outside of your self (as a concept not you personally) will care about CE after the World First Race unless you are insanely close to the race itself.

Sorry not sorry. Sweating after the sweats finished is cringe.

[huth]

Honestly, I think this is more indicative of how we've gotten used to half-assedly blowing through storylines after BfA. BfA easily could've been stretched into at least two expansions, if not more.

I feel like the reveal is indicative of Blizzard also realising this and trying to shift to a different gear.

[Super Dickmann]

Midnight will be an expansion only about elven forests.

So enjoy this small reprieve.

Even one expansion without it is a massive step forward for Night Elf Entertainment. They've given us one underground red dwarf factory area which is whatever the opposite of an elf forest is. At least the zones previewed show that all the zone designers have been given their narcolepsy meds after DF's showing.

[Sondrelk]

We should all celebrate that at long last we've broken the streak of expansions with night elf forests. They'll be back for World of Warcraft: Midnight(elves) but for now let's treasure the brief reprieve.

It's hardly a streak with only two expansions.

[Darkarath]

Happy to see that everyone seems to enjoy what we got, although I have to say that I am not in that group for now.

People were complaining a lot about a possible Avaloren expansion, and it is what we got, just named Khaz Algar and underground. 4 new zones that we do not know nothing about (save for the Nerubians).

The Warbands is a very welcomed change that should have been in the game years ago (I really hope that they apply to old reputations, but as of now they say that its just for new ones). Delves could be ok but there are concerns with its seasonal nature. It is cool to have a new allied race but let us be real, Earthen would probably be as popular as Mechagnomes. Hero talents seems a clear win, though.

12.0 and 13.0 kill the possibility of an evergreen revamp. They are going to revamp, in a best case scenario, the north part of the EK and Northrend, both tied to a specific storyline. Zones and phasing would probably be even more confusing, especially for new players.

And finally no 10.3. No surprise there, but that together with the message that they are going to release expansions faster, it is a clear sign that they just want to charge us more money for less content.

I do not know, hope that they change my mind today, but the confirmation of 10.2 being the last big patch for DF, along with a release of 11.0 (underground, which would make quite a lot of players quit just for that fact) in October of 2024 in a best case scenario, does not seem like the best plan.

I think that when we have been playing 10.2 for a month and the hype is over, the situation would be concerning to say the least.