Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[vintage79]

*2900* happy hanuka

[Jodmos]

This shows that I don't pay that much attention to lore, but how is Xalatath in humanoid form?

[milkmustache]

His lair is in northrend and his whole scheme is partially exacting revenge on the titans. If we are going to northrend and have a big titan storyline I expect iridikron to be involved as that plays into his story so far.

One expansion villains are a waste when their story could be much larger. Hence why xal would be annoying as a final boss in 11.2 versus continuing further

Agreed here. I don't think Iridikron cares about the Void. I think Iridikron made a deal with the Void which was essentially;

"I'll work with other anti-Aspect groups like the Infinite to help get you what you want, as long as you can promise that you'll bring the Titans to Azeroth."

Hands shake, they move on. Iridikron gets the essence of Galakrond in Dawn of the Infinite, gives it to Xal'atath (which we see in the features trailer) to use on the Nerubians somewhow, and then he allows Fyrakk to continue his rage to distract the heroes & the Aspects while Xal'atath gets to work and he lies in waiting.

The Fyrakk situation is a win-win for Iridikron; if he wins, he burns the World Tree and kills the Aspects and draws out the Titans even sooner... if he dies, well, he bought Iridikron time and distracts the heroes.

We'll see Iridikron make his move in 13.0, maybe with some Void magic (big nerubian rock dragon maybe) and quite honestly I think he'll kill a few Titans.

[Cheezits]

This interview with 'Nothing new' also states that Forbidden Reach is replacing Exiles Reach and Bfa as the opening experiences for players.

This definitely confirms Dracthyr getting other classes. Why revamp that portion of the game if not to include the new classes as well?

Already lowkey revealed by the level 13 dracthyr wearing leather in the Warband.

[milkmustache]

This interview with 'Nothing new' also states that Forbidden Reach is replacing Exiles Reach and Bfa as the opening experiences for players.

This definitely confirms Dracthyr getting other classes. Why revamp that portion of the game if not to include the new classes as well?

That has to be a mistake in the transcript of the interview... they don't mention Exile's Reach or moving away from that at all. I wonder how Forbidden Reach would work for all other classes? But I guess you're right, if Dracthyr get new classes, maybe Forbidden Reach has 2 parts; Evoker/Dracthyr and Dragonscale Expedition/All other Races version.

[Cheezits]

This has got me thinking if Iridikron was meant to be the tier 4 boss of Dragonflight, but then they decided they'd rather carry him over, cut the patch and focus on World Soul Saga. Seeing that Midnight is under development already makes me feel it wasn't a time related thing not to have a last tier in DF

I think they already planned on him being a boss of "Northrend 2" as the book was all about that.

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That has to be a mistake in the transcript of the interview... they don't mention Exile's Reach or moving away from that at all. I wonder how Forbidden Reach would work for all other classes? But I guess you're right, if Dracthyr get new classes, maybe Forbidden Reach has 2 parts; Evoker/Dracthyr and Dragonscale Expedition/All other Races version.

I think Dracthyr will either start at 10 or have a unique starting area. They can be the Dracthyr who were freed by the Healing Wings/Evokers and not the Evokers themselves.

[milkmustache]

This has got me thinking if Iridikron was meant to be the tier 4 boss of Dragonflight, but then they decided they'd rather carry him over, cut the patch and focus on World Soul Saga. Seeing that Midnight is under development already makes me feel it wasn't a time related thing not to have a last tier in DF

That wouldn't be surprising, and I'll honestly commend them to making that decision to commit to what they think is a better longterm situation for the game.

[Paula Deen]

That has to be a mistake in the transcript of the interview... they don't mention Exile's Reach or moving away from that at all. I wonder how Forbidden Reach would work for all other classes? But I guess you're right, if Dracthyr get new classes, maybe Forbidden Reach has 2 parts; Evoker/Dracthyr and Dragonscale Expedition/All other Races version.

I thought the same thing. It is possibly a mistake but then to also include learning flying quickly?

[Nightshade711]

I'm not sure what he said was exactly true. But his tweet theory was pretty spot on. And you know what? Those honey trap pictures he wasn't sure of? I remember thinking they kinda look like void infested quel thalas. If those pictures are in any way real that might mean that development is already underway for 12.0 And that is very good news.

He also did say that the screenshots “looked like island expeditions”, maybe they could be delves? Idk

[blaatschaap]

I'm wondering about something. Given that Midnight will take us to Quel'thalas for a Light vs Void storyline, wouldn't it make some sense to do something with the Exodar too? It is a naaru dimensional ship, after all. That way, they have a reason to fix the last openly accessible world zones that aren't flyable (don't care about exile's reach, gilneas, wandering isle, since you can never go back to those). Just an idea

[Fentawow]

Idk about Azeroth being the epicenter, but I do think the First Ones gave her some very special gift ngl

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Wait...his lair is actually in Northrend? That's funny.

Yeah per the scaleborn book. that with a titan culmination it makes sense to build to 13.0

[Cheezits]

I'm wondering about something. Given that Midnight will take us to Quel'thalas for a Light vs Void storyline, wouldn't it make some sense to do something with the Exodar too? It is a naaru dimensional ship, after all. That way, they have a reason to fix the last openly accessible world zones that aren't flyable (don't care about exile's reach, gilneas, wandering isle, since you can never go back to those). Just an idea

They said that there would be other areas, but yeah it would make sense if they added in Azuremyst as opposed to another oc island.

[blaatschaap]

Idk about Azeroth being the epicenter, but I do think the First Ones gave her some very special gift ngl

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Wait...his lair is actually in Northrend? That's funny.

We've known of a huge historical dragon presence there since wotlk. Galakronds corpse is there after all

[Valysar]

We can imagine that they'll revamp Azeroth for 12.0 and Northrend for 13.0
(jk, they won't do it, never)

[milkmustache]

I thought the same thing. It is possibly a mistake but then to also include learning flying quickly?

I think that'd be a great move by Blizzard. They really seem to want to redefine the Horde/Alliance dynamic even more, so moving past Exile's Reach into Forbidden Reach and making it a new evergreen start makes sense.

I think Blizzard also sees Dragonflight as a sort of staging ground, breath to take and move forward before the Worldsoul Saga. I enjoyed reading how Chris described it as a poem through which he was able to pickup a lot of inspiration for the future story, and I think in context it reframes a lot of my perceptions on the expansion. So allowing that to be where new players get a sense of how the world works isn't a bad idea, especially if the new theme for the next 3 expacs is "we are all hearing this noise in our head, we need to figure it out together". Less faction war more harmonious stuff I guess, but I don't mind it if it's being done intentionally.

[FossilFree]

The light crystal was probably part of the bargain between Light and Order. The Titans helped the Naaru stick a light crystal deep down there to channel light energy towards Azeroth. The bargain could have very well been that Order will help them create a "Holy Titan" to fight the Void in the final battle. What Order gained from this remains to be seen, but maybe they didn't think they could fight the Void on their own (see Sargeras) and needed the "Holy Titan" to ensure their ordered universe is not destroyed and their work undone.

But Void found out about this, and Xal is using the Nerubians to take this crystal for the Void and finally achieve their goal of making the "Void Titan," which would all but guarantee their victory.

[Shadochi]

We can imagine that they'll revamp Azeroth for 12.0 and Northrend for 13.0
(jk, they won't do it, never)

Pfff... EK and Kalimdor revamp pre-WW gang (unrealistic but one can hope, I would gladly give a raid tier for that)

[huth]

This has got me thinking if Iridikron was meant to be the tier 4 boss of Dragonflight, but then they decided they'd rather carry him over, cut the patch and focus on World Soul Saga. Seeing that Midnight is under development already makes me feel it wasn't a time related thing not to have a last tier in DF

If they did that, they did it before DF released and probably before it even entered alpha.

[Marlamin]

Already lowkey revealed by the level 13 dracthyr wearing leather in the Warband.

Keep in mind that wasn't an actual thing, just a UI mockup plastered on top of the warband part of the features trailer, it doesn't actually exist yet so that might have been some UI designer just picking random shit.

[Cheezits]

I think we may get cities revamped in 12.0 but it may just be SMC and MAYBE Exodar/Gilneas/Undercity.