Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Thomir]

I've seen enough. I'm satisfied.

[ZyntosAran]

Death Knight gets Rider of the Apocalypse.
If they dont give them a way of casting spells while on mount (even when its just like paladins), they should rename it to Walker of the Apocalypse.

[Jaggler]

To be honest, i like that the hero specs aren't tied with cosmetics. it would kinda suck, if let's say i want to play a sunwalker, but I can'Ät because that spec isn't open to my spec or it's bad for my content.

If they introduce "class skins" it should be seperate from power, otherwise you have a similar situation to SL covenants, where what you want to play could cripple you

[Chickat]

Indeed. Blizzard somehow looked at GW2's Griffon, copied its mechanics, and then botched it. What made the Griffon fun was that it was very, very difficult to gain more height than you started with, and it was impossible to soar over most maps. So you got a little bit of height and would have to fly through the map and navigate the obstacles, whereas with Dragonflight you just mash spacebar half a dozen times to soar high over the dragon isles like regularly riding, never having to navigate the environment.

Players love DF. Its fun. Its convenient. The last thing the game needs is gamified flying. No one wants to struggle to get somewhere. They just want to get there as fast as possible. I'm all for harder world quests that remove vigor or create hazards, but for general flight? No its perfect.

[Makabreska]

I mean, if Hero Talents don't end up being the retail version of what they're doing with SoD, then they're not much more than an additional row of talents.

That was the intention from the start. An extension of talent trees like we had in the past (BC to WotLK for example), without messing up current trees balance. It's really simple.

[Vakir]

Death Knight gets Rider of the Apocalypse.
If they dont give them a way of casting spells while on mount (even when its just like paladins), they should rename it to Walker of the Apocalypse.

I don't have super high expectations for that one, since Death Knights similar to Paladins are defined by being kind of low-mobility to offset some of what they have.

...which is funny since DKs were defined by being pretty quick heroes in WC3. Even Rivendare in Rumble is a "fast" unit.

[Sondrelk]

You and a handful of people are the only ones I hear saying that. Its an unpopular take. I dont have proof but id jump off of a building if i was wrong.

As I have said before, I don't mind Dynamic Flying being easy to get into and use. I mind it being trivial, and that all the improvements come from Vigor.

In my head I imagine a version of the zones where updrafts are placed liberally. Every bridge, natural or constructed, has a speed bost under it.
Upgrades are stuff like Ground Skimming increasing your speed. Eating sheep or other natural wildlife giving you vigor regen. Hitting three speed bosts within a ten second duration gives you maximum speed for five seconds. etc.

Stuff that means that when you look at a zone, you see a myriad ways you can show off your skill in Dragonriding, get rewarded, and naturally feel badass doing so. Not one where you know someone is skilled because they know the most efficient angle to use for ascending rapidly. And who knows how to dolphin jump to get from Iskaara to Valdrakken ten seconds faster than someone new to it.

[Chickat]

Is anyone else tired of them referring to things as new "pillars of endgame"? They said crafting was going to be the fourth "pillar of endgame" in dragonflight & it totally isn't. It could have been but it isn't. Now they have this new shiny thing that sounds exactly like MoP scenarios but with a bit of torghast sprinkled on top.

No because Delves obviously are. Heroic raid gear for world players? Thats a pillar of endgame for those players. And for people that just like crafting, thats a pillar of endgame for them. Not every pillar has to be for everyone. Everyone gets their own pillar.

[Deadmines]

To be honest, i like that the hero specs aren't tied with cosmetics. it would kinda suck, if let's say i want to play a sunwalker, but I can'Ät because that spec isn't open to my spec or it's bad for my content.

If they introduce "class skins" it should be seperate from power, otherwise you have a similar situation to SL covenants, where what you want to play could cripple you

I still think they may be, there were a ton of lighting effects on the Mountain Thane warrior in yesterday's deepdive.

[Reive]

if they go crazy with the hero talents they can be great.

[Chickat]

And they might, to some extent. Dark Ranger may focus on having some passive-type skeletal minions and damage over time arrows. But it still operates on the mechanics of how Hunters usually work and will probably overlap.

Farseer/some other spec looks like it's going to have instant multi-bolts and MAYBE 2H usage, similar to the Frost DK options? It's unclear in the features trailer, but it sure looks like it.



I interpreted them saying that in the sense that they won't be gone as the eventual complete "course," as he said you're going to "progress" with flying in TWW as well.

If not, they're welcome to do some other weird shit with dynamic flying progression.

Honestly, dark ranger will probably be just dark colored shots.

[ZyntosAran]

Also I am a bit sad that Mages do not get Spellbreaker or any other Melee-oriented Hero Talent.

[Alanar]

Dks get san'layn. Now that is my area.

Curious.

[vandris]

Everything sounds good so far... HOWEVER... I'm terribly worried about how they will keep up with pushing out content to keep us busy till WW launches, especially now that we know that 10.3 is not coming. DF's pacing of patches is really good, I just can't see how Blizz wants to continue that for another year. Hopefully a road map is on the way to calm the nerves. They've been riding a huge wave of W's, hopefully they don't mess it up...

[Thomir]

Delves could be interesting if they're actually challenging. You put a fog wall in front of something, it better be difficult!

[Cheezits]

Rider of the Apocalypse will 100% be a Divine Steed thing with some kind of combat bonus.

[Nymrohd]

One thing that I felt was disappointing was that there was no mention of delves having difficulties. So I assume they will be tuned for the lowest common denominator.

[Kiria]

Honestly, dark ranger will probably be just dark colored shots.

Good enough for me tbh, as longer as its thematically sound, one thing Im sad of it that there was no Void Hunter Hero spec like Alleria.

[Chickat]

Yea, I noticed that too. Ion did say you'd gear up quicker more than ever before.

They are embracing alts imo. They want casuals to level or gear 5 alts per season.

Still not sure what they are gonna do about reps though. They will have to expand the paragon system so that gaining rep is meaningful.

[Vakir]

Dks get san'layn. Now that is my area.

Curious.

Buffed blood leech disease/unholy DoT abilities. Maybe some blood orbs you can run over for self-healing/damage boost.