Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Xilurm]

The tree belongs to the Dragon Isles. I mean the entire story has mostly been about dragons, not elves.

The story of the tree hasn't. It's been spanning two expansions now.

[Lahis]

Still wishing 10.2.5 comes with more druid races. Let the Emerald Dream events be springboard for more druidism.

Though the Earthern lacking druids doesn't look good for th prospect.

[Nymrohd]

The story of the tree hasn't. It's been spanning two expansions now.

And it's story last expansion was for both Ysera and Tyrande. Why, I don't know.

[Shadochi]

3k!!!

I really wonder what the unexpected content (or something like that) during shadowlands that they teased in a recent interview is.
Is it just the world tree transfering to Azeroth? (for us forum dwellers/wowhead viewers/redditors this is expected, but vast majority of the playerbase doesn't visit fansites).
I hope that by that they don't just mean more story content with lame twists or points

[Reive]

3k!!!

I really wonder what the unexpected content (or something like that) during shadowlands that they teased in a recent interview is.
Is it just the world tree transfering to Azeroth? (for us forum dwellers/wowhead viewers/redditors this is expected, but vast majority of the playerbase doesn't visit fansites).
I hope that by that they don't just mean more story content with lame twists or points

as someone on reddit said, probably a new hd asset for the ui lol

edit: gratz for the 3k

[Sondrelk]

The big 3K. Shame we don't have the what's next panel to celebrate it with.

[Scyth]

Still wishing 10.2.5 comes with more druid races. Let the Emerald Dream events be springboard for more druidism.

Though the Earthern lacking druids doesn't look good for th prospect.

More shamans too, whilst we are at it
In one of the interviews they talked about more race/class combos but didn't commit to anything so we will probably have to wait a bit for the remaining ones.

Yay 3k!

[Harbour]

You know what i find weird?

Is that in 7.3.5 ending cinematic Sargeras tried to do something with Azeroth WITHOUT immediately cutting it in half. No, he hanged there in a giant cloud of smoke and did something without us seeing it.
And only when the sucky beam hit him, his last "NO!" was him putting his sword into the planet.

What i find weird is that he didnt immediately nuke the planet. We all didnt think much about that, because we presumed its just the meaningless detail, gameplay flaw so to speak, but now, with World Soul Saga reframe, i start thinking that maybe initially Sargeras want to do something with Azeroth WITHOUT destroying the planet in the process.

Maybe he tried to free her, or cure her, or destroy without harming the people, and only when he realized he isnt going to make it in time, he drove the blade into it.

Maybe he actually had good non-destructive intentions at first.

[Berkilak]

So that MrGM interview alluded to additions in the 10.2.x patches that no one will be able to predict. Any ideas that might prove that assertion wrong?

[Reive]

So that MrGM interview alluded to additions in the 10.2.x patches that no one will be able to predict. Any ideas that might prove that assertion wrong?

i wouldn't put much thought into it. they're good at overhyping even the smallest things. remember that they considered 4 new hair colors for belves a feature

[Santandame]

I hate this because unlike Xal, or Azshara, or Denathrius.... Iridikron does not have enough personality to be....the longest persistent antagonist we've ever had. These long-term stories never end well, just look at game of thrones: GRRM doesn't even want to finish writing it.

He doesn’t want to finish writing it because he doesn’t know how to finish it. He created too many plot lines and introduced too many characters later on in the story with their own plot lines that he has no idea how to wrap it up in a satisfying fashion; the Mereneese Knot being the biggest example of this.

Long term characters are not an issue and are not the reason why he doesn’t want to finish. He doesn’t know how to.

[Valysar]

When do you think PTR will be up, now that it's updated to 10.2.5 ?

[Nymrohd]

It would be nuts if Elun'Ahir/Erinethria/Avaloren was somehow part of Dragonflight, in a more story-focused sense.

Not sure how it'd work out, but maybe Tyr awakens and something in the Emerald Dream pushes that narrative further, of the realms of Life and what lies beyond the Dream, of Tyr's allegiances, of Eonar's role within the Pantheon and her relationship with Elune, the role of World Trees in general, etc. and how it all connects back to Azeroth and its worldsoul.

I don't know. I feel like there's an opportunity to expand on all of that lore before War Within, so the expansion has more context.

Maybe we find out Avaloren isn't some place in the physical world we can go and play around in for two years. It's not a continent. Instead, it's like... the source of the Dream, or some plane of existence on Azeroth that is in another dimension, or up in the sky or whatever. Perhaps it's Azeroth before the Old Gods arrived, you know. Some primordial paradise full of elementals.

My idea now for Elun'ahir is that we will find the roots below Sholazar during TLT and we will use it to summon Elune so she can help us against Aman'thul

[Reive]

When do you think PTR will be up, now that it's updated to 10.2.5 ?

next week. this one is gone

[Berkilak]

He doesn’t want to finish writing it because he doesn’t know how to finish it. He created too many plot lines and introduced too many characters later on in the story with their own plot lines that he has no idea how to wrap it up in a satisfying fashion; the Mereneese Knot being the biggest example of this.

Long term characters are not an issue and are not the reason why he doesn’t want to finish. He doesn’t know how to.

More than that, when people call him the American Tolkien, they couldn’t be more right. The problem is, in typical English fashion, Tolkien’s writing was an academic exercise. Whereas GRRM’s writing has always been a typically American capitalist exercise. And he already made more money than he knows what to do with. There’s nothing motivating him anymore.

[Ersula]

The idea of Sargeras being a misunderstood renegade who just wants to free Azeroth is interesting, but I think there's just too much old lore that contradicts it. Even in Legion, Sargeras speaks directly to Aggramar and tells him they need to complete the rebirth [of the Titans into a Dark Pantheon] so they can go bananas on the universe.

The Eredar in the Twisting Nether corrupted Sargeras, no wait.

The Dreadlords convinced Sargeras help the Jailer unmake reality, no wait.

Actually, the Titans are bad & Sargeras just wanted to get her away from them, no wait.

How many times do they have to retcon this man?

He doesn’t want to finish writing it because he doesn’t know how to finish it.

Same thing. They're going to be dealing with this same problem by the time they get to The Last Titan. Starting a story is easy, ending one is hard.

[rainhard]

Oh and a funny coincidence. The new wild god, Q'onzu.

One of his questions to the player:

What imprisons, but also protects?

The right answer ends up being: Stasis.

Foreshadowing, much?

About Q'onzu, i noticed that in the quests with aviana he says something about protecting the great roots we are unaware of being as deep as they are, this seems to tie him in as a protector of the original tree Elun'ahir, that would also explain his different blueish color in skin and abilities and does tie in his desire for change with the pre titan changing nature of the dream.

[Berkilak]

i wouldn't put much thought into it. they're good at overhyping even the smallest things. remember that they considered 4 new hair colors for belves a feature

Eh, I wouldn’t be surprised by a surprise. Drakonid allied race m, for example, could be cool.

Also, 60k!

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Just like the Old Gods having nothing to do with Il'gynoth corrupting Un'Goro.

Just like the Jailer having nothing to do with Sylvanas zooming around like a black cloud to collect souls for the Maw.

Just like Sargeras having nothing to do with Archimonde seeking to burn Nordrassil.

Oh, wait...

All of those were directly set to those task, the Aspects weren’t, the titans had no input and would likely just want the incarnates dead because there was no reason not to kill them beyond Alex’s compassion.

So thanks you prove my point.

[Walrusking]

I wonder what they will do with Earthen death knights?
Toss them in the allied race dk starter area and call it good, toss them in the Earthen starting area and ignore it or make a new little area explaining how/why they were raised.