Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Revamp Man]

So... what's Vyranoth the Aspect of?

Family

Jk jk honestly we know nothing of the nature of her new powers it could be an aspect of the elements like what Tyr was experimenting with. We are definitely going to get rocked when we fight the same forces we made

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Uncertain and searching...I don't know why I continue hoping for a non-villainous character to have resolve. At least this further indicates he won't be one.

Did ysera just get name dropped as the aspect of death???

[Raetary]

https://twitter.com/Portergauge/stat...74743659290684

Uncertain and searching...I don't know why I continue hoping for a non-villainous character to have resolve. At least this further indicates he won't be one.

I get where you are comming from, but that's literally a copy of a dead person we inserted a magic hard-drive into to quasi bring them back to life.

It'd be really weird if he wasn't acting uncertain.

[Jaggler]

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Did ysera just get name dropped as the aspect of death???

where is that?

[Raetary]

where is that?

[Xilurm]

https://twitter.com/Portergauge/stat...73243771974101

Ah I see we're back to that fanfic again.

[Reive]

https://twitter.com/Portergauge/stat...73243771974101

Ah I see we're back to that fanfic again.

the story has been a fanfic since bfa.

bfa was danuser self inserting as nathanos
shadowlands was danuser giving sylvanas a redemption arc
dragonflight was the expansion for self inserting diversity hires

[Khaza-R]

The only feelings I have after watching the Amirdrassil blessing cutscene is one of relief.

Not relief because it was remotely good or satisfying. But because this mutilated horse can finally be put out of its misery and forgotten by the devs for the next 6+ years.

[Nymrohd]

The only feelings I have after watching the Amirdrassil blessing cutscene is one of relief.

Not relief because it was remotely good or satisfying. But because this mutilated horse can finally be put out of its misery and forgotten by the devs for the next 6+ years.

I think the cutscene is the worst part. The quest before the raid is decent, with dragons fighting as actual dragons. Sure any number of fairly random NPCs are also there but it works well. The post-raid content is fairly solid too. Sure the Ysera part is stupid but it already was stupid and it is just concluding the arc.

[Eldryth]

This might sound like an excuse- especially since I saw similar speculation about Shadowlands- but has anyone else been getting the impression that the second half of Dragonflight went through some rushed rewrites?

Dawn of the Infinite, in retrospect, feels like such a massive turning point that I can't help but think that their plans changed completely there. Up until that point, everything pointed towards Iridikron as the final boss, or maybe Murozond- and the devs claimed that we would be able to figure out the final boss after finishing Vault. But then instead, Iridikron teased the Worldsoul Saga (which, unless I'm mistaken, was Metzen's idea, and from what I can find he first returned to Blizzard just after Dragonflight released so it clearly wasn't the original plan) and left while Murozond was resolved quickly.

Fyrakk, up to that point, had always felt like just a crazy underling that we'd fight in a mid-expansion raid, but suddenly we got an attempt to build him up as the final boss. On top of that, most of the other plotlines we got since then felt rushed- Ysera's return amounted to absolutely nothing. Vyranoth's redemption- while something I expected from the start- was executed so abruptly that it feels fake. The Red Dragonflight still never got a major arc like the other four flights, just Alexstrasza herself helping out in the Green arc. Smolderon suddenly showing up to die, with just a few lines about Fyrakk tricking him. The big quest to restore the Aspects was forgotten, and instead it just kind of happened at the end of the raid. It feels like they were rushing to resolve everything they set up, way to quickly to do any of it right.

I really feel like this was all supposed to end up as a four-tier, standalone expansion, with Iridikron as the final boss. Ysera would have taken the focus in the current patch instead of Alexstrasza, Vyranoth's redemption would have been more drawn out, with her, Alexstrasza, and the Reds taking the focus for the final tier, etc... but then Metzen came back with his Saga idea and wanted to use Iridikron for it, so the writers had to scramble to resolve everything without the final boss and make Fyrakk into a bigger threat.

To be clear, even if this is the case, Dragonflight's ending was disappointing. But if there is a reason for it, like this... I really hope their plans for the Saga make it worth it.

[Reive]

This might sound like an excuse- especially since I saw similar speculation about Shadowlands- but has anyone else been getting the impression that the second half of Dragonflight went through some rushed rewrites?

Dawn of the Infinite, in retrospect, feels like such a massive turning point that I can't help but think that their plans changed completely there. Up until that point, everything pointed towards Iridikron as the final boss, or maybe Murozond- and the devs claimed that we would be able to figure out the final boss after finishing Vault. But then instead, Iridikron teased the Worldsoul Saga (which, unless I'm mistaken, was Metzen's idea, and from what I can find he first returned to Blizzard just after Dragonflight released so it clearly wasn't the original plan) and left while Murozond was resolved quickly.

Fyrakk, up to that point, had always felt like just a crazy underling that we'd fight in a mid-expansion raid, but suddenly we got an attempt to build him up as the final boss. On top of that, most of the other plotlines we got since then felt rushed- Ysera's return amounted to absolutely nothing. Vyranoth's redemption- while something I expected from the start- was executed so abruptly that it feels fake. The Red Dragonflight still never got a major arc like the other four flights, just Alexstrasza herself helping out in the Green arc. Smolderon suddenly showing up to die, with just a few lines about Fyrakk tricking him. The big quest to restore the Aspects was forgotten, and instead it just kind of happened at the end of the raid. It feels like they were rushing to resolve everything they set up, way to quickly to do any of it right.

I really feel like this was all supposed to end up as a four-tier, standalone expansion, with Iridikron as the final boss. Ysera would have taken the focus in the current patch instead of Alexstrasza, Vyranoth's redemption would have been more drawn out, with her, Alexstrasza, and the Reds taking the focus for the final tier, etc... but then Metzen came back with his Saga idea and wanted to use Iridikron for it, so the writers had to scramble to resolve everything without the final boss.

To be clear, even if this is the case, Dragonflight's ending was disappointing. But if there is a reason for it, like this... I really hope their plans for the Saga make it worth it.

there was definitely a drop in quality around that time. might be just incompetence or maybe the return to office thing might have affected them more than we think

[milkmustache]

Well, isn't Vyranoth her sister? Maybe she's referring to that?

[Scyth]

I genuinely have no idea why they brought Ysera back only to then completely ignore her, what was the point..

[Ersula]

Well, isn't Vyranoth her sister? Maybe she's referring to that?

I thought for a second Alexstrasza was making Ysera the Aspect of Life & she was taking her place in Ardenweald. And that would make their comments during that dying Ancient quest make sense. And make the fact that Ysera got an entirely new model make sense. But that would make too much sense so Blizzard wouldn't do it.

[Lady Atia]

I genuinely have no idea why they brought Ysera back only to then completely ignore her, what was the point..

Because the original plan was to have her back as an Aspect, but people complained about Merithra being ignored so they changed it. Case in point, we had to wait for the last major patch before they managed to give Merithra an unique model, while Ysera had it from the start even though they barely even used her lol.

[Nize]

Because the original plan was to have her back as an Aspect, but people complained about Merithra being ignored so they changed it. Case in point, we had to wait for the last major patch before they managed to give Merithra an unique model, while Ysera had it from the start even though they barely even used her lol.

I hope your implication isn't that we should blame the players for this.

[Auxis]

I think Sylvanas 100% has a chance of dying if she comes back to help Quel'thalas. 200% if she has to stop a corrupted Alleria.

While her being in penance for all her suffering makes sense as a worthy fate, it also makes sense for her to earn her final rest defending Quel'thalas again.

Though, they may just give Sylvanas's role to Vereesa so that Sylvanas can be held to her (seemingly eternal) job of saving souls in the Maw. Also Vereesa definitely needs some spotlight.

Vereesa genuinely might be one of the most boring characters, to me. I've barely seen her do anything ingame, granted I havent read any books or comics - does she have ANY noteworthy feats to her name?

[Gurahk]

Vereesa genuinely might be one of the most boring characters, to me. I've barely seen her do anything ingame, granted I havent read any books or comics - does she have ANY noteworthy feats to her name?

Sure thing, she's the only Windrunner I'm not tired of.

[Kiivar86]

I'm certainly ok with Iridirkon continuing beyond this expansion at least, but it does feel weirdly truncated, yes.

Issues with Ysera I do think are at least partly due to the whole Merithra thing, as mentioned.

[Revamp Man]

Sure thing, she's the only Windrunner I'm not tired of.

And her romantic relationships don't fuck with balance between cosmic forces

[Thomir]

I thought it was Vareesa on the key art for The War Within but, unfortunately, it's just Alleria with a new look. I've always had the impression that Vareesa would be the sacrificial lamb for the Windrunner sisters whose death will mend the relationship between Alleria and Sylvanas. That may happen in Midnight.