Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Lorgar Aurelian]

You're putting way too much importance on color. Not to mention you use the one guy who has gone back & forth between Ardenweald & the dream more times than Kel'thuzad came back to life. Like the Winter queen said, they're two branches of the same tree.

Hasn’t Cenarius only died once by the orcs? Or does he go to Ardenweald some other time?

[Well Done Steak]

You're putting way too much importance on color. Not to mention you use the one guy who has gone back & forth between Ardenweald & the dream more times than Kel'thuzad came back to life. Like the Winter queen said, they're two branches of the same tree.

This has nothing to do with color, Jesus Christ.

Spell effects have more nuances than fucking color.

Like you can tell the difference between frost magic and blue light right??

The way night fae magic is animated is very specific. It's to emphasize that night fae magic is night fae magic and nothing else.

That's why having druids use night fae animations FEELS unnatural and that they're still using burrowed power from the NF covenant. Because it's not something druids can normally channel.

Like you're proving my point with CENARIOUS, dude has died multiple times, gone through the cycle and not once ever used NF magic.

The only one who did was Ysera, the being who was infused by the fucking night fae Eternal.

Yet, the champion druid using night fae magic as if they're still actively connected and operating in the SHADOWLANDS is normal?

Hell no that makes no sense.

If, Cenarious made a pact between the winter queen and learned some kind of special druidic branch of magic, then fine. But until then, it make no sense for this animation style to naturally continue outside of glyphs.

Druids aesthetic is leafy green, astral arcane, bloody animal strikes, etc etc.

Not blue death fairy sparkle magic.

[micwini]

We're discussing colors now? wtf.
Im glad they are updating the covenant abilities to fit the classes better. Some colors fit, but the issue is more so how the effects look.
I think druid convoke could've stayed the same tho.

[Kiivar86]

This is just a name for normal flight; Ion has already named it "BC" flight.

That explains that, then!

[Hitei]

The goal post was you brining up a set of ability’s, they didn't fit, so you tried to move to another set of ability’s you thought were closer, not brining up ability’s at all, lol.

The set of bright blue abilities used by Paladins and Druids? That I brought up because you claimed that they didn't have them? That somehow don't fit as bright blue? And the other set of abilities that are also bright blue? You making a claim and me refuting isn't moving goal posts. If you don't want to talk about abilities, don't bring them up.

Like I even pointed to you moving from some ability’s to others in what you just quoted not you just pointing to ability’s at all.

I gave you an even more comprehensive list of abilities and also showed you, objectively, that the first set qualified. Again, reinforcing the same point is not moving the goal posts. Do you even understand what the phrase means? Is that the problem here? You're just confused about what those words actually mean?

again you are the one who pointed to them all being “within the objective numerical hue range for all three other spells you”, and guess what so are all of those other blues.

Yes. Because you tried to claim that they weren't the same, so then I had to give you hard numerical data. Which you're now embarrassingly deflecting from and attempting to mock because you don't have any actual answer to being presented with other kit spells having the same set of colors. I get it. It's though having numbers in front of you. Then you make stupid mistakes like showing a chart of other bright blue colors, as if somehow that's gonna prove the original bright blue colors aren't bright blue.

But again that goal post has to move right? Who knows what would happen if stayed in the same place for more then a post or two!

Let's find out by going back to your original argument of Druids and Paladins having bright blue spells. Did you want to talk about that? Whether or not they have bright blue spells? I'm happy to have that discussion. I mean, the answer is yes. They have them. Quite a few of them. So there's that conversation done, and now you know, and you'll know in the future not to claim they don't.

No No your right, next time I’ll be sure to bring up the hue range in my /S post so I can sure I say they don’t have baby blue instead of sapphire blue, oh wait that would still upset you because there in the same hue range with many other blues wouldn’t it ?

Next time you can just not make up bullshit about what's in a class' visual kit as a desperate attempt to pretend you have an actual nuanced opinion. Then you could just whine about the expansion you don't like and wouldn't have to face the embarrassment of being wrong about stuff that's easy to check.

[Ersula]

Druids aesthetic is leafy green, astral arcane, bloody animal strikes, etc etc.

But not fairies. Got it. You're not insane. This is a normal thing to care about. And it needed to be fixed, not the hundreds of other problems with the game. You convinced me.

[huth]

They literally just revealed Hero Talents that pretty much act like this.

No, they really don't and i still don't get where that misconception is coming from.

[Kiivar86]

If you're a shaman who has done the shaman campaign during Legion, Smolderon acknowledges you in the raid. Pretty neat.

Glad they still have small touches like this. Gives me hope that Xal'atath will acknowledge priests in TWW (and maybe us in general if we also did the questline in BfA).

[Marlamin]

This is the first time they are working on the expansion after the next one this early. Atleast according to the interviews they have given, Midnight is much farther in development than previous n+2 expansions would be at this point.

Sure, but that doesn't really explain why this would show up in the main branch of the game when they usually keep that relatively well separated, I feel like this might be more of a solo experiment by a single dev messing around that might or might not make it into the game at some point rather than a planned future expansion feature they're already dedicating resources to, similar to the Vampire Survivor scenario and a bunch of other things in the past, some of which never made it even when there's a considerable amount of work done for it... (Hearthstone Tavern I want you).

Dynamic flight itself also didn't exist in the first Dragonflight alpha build and that was an entirely new system, so these kind of things are usually worked on pretty late in the development cycle.

Then again, I guess they might just not care as much anymore about separation considering they've announced the next 3 expansions, but it does ruin a bit of the surprise (and 10.2.x ruined a few of those already). I guess it's a new world and expectations based on previous development history should probably be thrown out the window, which is probably fair.

[Well Done Steak]

But not fairies. Got it. You're not insane. This is a normal thing to care about. And it needed to be fixed, not the hundreds of other problems with the game. You convinced me.

Death fairies, nope.

I don't think it was top priority but yeah it needed clean up since it was lazy to transition the covenant abilities without detransitioning their animations away from SL.

Especially when they all pretty much clash since we're not actively working with the covenants anymore. Some more than others but still.

And I didn't start this debate, just added to it, you're more than welcome to ignore it, but it clearly matters to you too, sooooooo

[huth]

Druids aesthetic is leafy green, astral arcane, bloody animal strikes, etc etc.

And gold-orange and whitish blue, just like Convoke. Also, Druid uses the same colours for Astral and Arcane.

[Eldryth]

No, they really don't and i still don't get where that misconception is coming from.

It does seem to change up your animations to some extent, judging from the Mountain Thane demonstration. They got lighting effects added to a bunch of their skills.

Of course, we don't know how far it'll go, and it could get cut by release since iirc it was just a mockup... but as things are now it's likely that they'll change your animations and have a distinctive look.

[Well Done Steak]

And gold-orange and whitish blue, just like Convoke. Also, Druid uses the same colours for Astral and Arcane.

Again, this is beyond colors.

Night fae is not just "BlUE"

Those animation effects are very unique. You know night fae when you see it.

[huth]

It does seem to change up your animations to some extent, judging from the Mountain Thane demonstration. They got lighting effects added to a bunch of their skills.

Of course, we don't know how far it'll go, and it could get cut by release since iirc it was just a mockup... but as things are now it's likely that they'll change your animations and have a distinctive look.

Sure, but it isn't anywhere remotely close to what a class skin would be. It's more Glyph level.

Again, this is beyond colors.

Night fae is not just "BlUE"

Those animation effects are very unique. You know night fae when you see it.

And none of it is particularly far from typical Druid aesthetics. Your point doesn't get better by repeating it.

[Well Done Steak]

Sure, but it isn't anywhere remotely close to what a class skin would be. It's more Glyph level.



And none of it is particularly far from typical Druid aesthetics. Your point doesn't get better by repeating it.

Nothing in wow looks anything like night fae spell effects.

Nor the other 3 covenants for that matter.

The closest is bfa death magic and maldraxxus

[Lorgar Aurelian]

The set of bright blue abilities used by Paladins and Druids? That I brought up because you claimed that they didn't have them?

yup the ones that aren’t the same colour, well unless of course every blue “within the objective numerical hue range” is the same colour, which would really suck as we’d lose so many different blues that aren’t the same.

Oh and ya the other ability’s Paladins that we infant don’t have as we’re not talking about classic.

Do you even understand what the phrase means? Is that the problem here? You're just confused about what those words actually mean?

don’t worry you just gave me a great crash course.

Give some examples, those don’t match up, when pointed out don’t address it and move onto other examples, those examples haven’t been a in for years so aren’t relevant to what we are even talking about, don’t address it move onto the blue’s being in the range of Hues, its pointed out that a ton of blues are in that range and that doesn’t make them the same colour, don’t address it, Move onto them almost being close to the same colour and some being closer then others.

Yes. Because you tried to claim that they weren't the same, so then I had to give you hard numerical data.

you did in fact give hard numerical data, and that date proves they weren’t the same and were all just in the range of blue as many other blues which are also different Colour.

Let's find out by going back to your original argument of Druids and Paladins having bright blue spells.

yes they do In fact have blue spells, you got me. My /S comment was in fact wrong and meant to be taken super serious and I did in fact not point out the hue differences and how they don’t match up.

Next time you can just not make up bullshit

really how’s that going for you? I see you didn’t try and dispute you making up words and putting them in my mouth about how I want everything from shadowlands gone.

to pretend you have an actual nuanced opinion.

ah but every one try’s to express there nuanced opinions through short one sentence sarcastic post don’t you know.

My pinky is in the air right now as I sip my tea and ponder the state of blueness and what colours should be taken out of the colour naming list because they share a hue range.

[huth]

Nothing in wow looks anything like night fae spell effects.

Nor the other 3 covenants for that matter.

The closest is bfa death magic and maldraxxus

"What is a Wisp?"

The ability was perfectly fine. It's a small-scale version of the end of WC3.

[Well Done Steak]

"What is a Wisp?"

The ability was perfectly fine. It's a small-scale version of the end of WC3.

Wisps look nothing like night fae effects... Come on now.

[Cheezits]

World Soul Saga really broke this thread.

[milkmustache]

Then again, I guess they might just not care as much anymore about separation considering they've announced the next 3 expansions, but it does ruin a bit of the surprise (and 10.2.x ruined a few of those already). I guess it's a new world and expectations based on previous development history should probably be thrown out the window, which is probably fair.

Which would you consider ruined by 10.2.x?