Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Joszef Kiprich]

No you get that after you kill Fyrakk.

Last chapter is available as soon as Fyrakk is on LFR.

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Last chapter is available as soon as Fyrakk is on LFR.

Are you referring to the "New Beginnings" part? We really have to wait until December 5th to see that?

[Jaggler]

I'm pretty sure the "New Beginnings" part in the questlog is just bugged. that's just the part after Fyrakk, where you check in with the other in Ohn'ahran Plains, the party and then Ysera departing

[Nymrohd]

Are you referring to the "New Beginnings" part? We really have to wait until December 5th to see that?

It's curious, you get the achievement if you do the post Fyrakk quests but it doesn't show complete on the Campaign Journey log

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I'm pretty sure the "New Beginnings" part in the questlog is just bugged. that's just the part after Fyrakk, where you check in with the other in Ohn'ahran Plains, the party and then Ysera departing

Yeah I bet it is simply a bug as well.

[Varodoc]

I wouldn't really call someone getting invaded and losing a war and then being angry a "sore loser". I mean, are the Night Elves sore losers because they can't just forgive and forget Teldrassil? Or the fact that they still attack Orcs that go into Ashenvale?

The Night Elves are not sore losers because they actually cared about helping defeat threats like the Jailer and the Primalists.

The Amani are sore losers because they let the Scourge win if they could get their revenge (and still failed).

[Nathanyel]

HOWEVER... I feel like blizzard repeats itself too much

1) night elf highborne pact with the "legion" -> nightborne pact with the "legion"
2) big tree gets attacked by archimonde -> big tree gets attacked by fire dudes -> big tree gets attacked by fire dudes
3) orcs and portals and interdimension
4) arthas / anduin

Can't disagree on 1-3, but 4 is a conscious, deliberate, obvious decision to contrast Arthas and Anduin. Both have similar backgrounds, are faced with similar-ish situations, but where Arthas gave in to the temptations, Anduin has resisted them, even though he is doubting himself due to being tempted at all.

Or they'll rationalise it as him only having taken over very shortly before his "death". People will go to very great lenths to uphold their world view.

or: "Sure, Balnazzar was a Dreadlord, basically the Anti-Lightbringer, but he hated the same people I hate, so he's cool in my book."

[Lolites]

Better let me ask: why shouldn't a solo player that beats the hardest bosses probably even harder than the ones in Elden Ring get no mythic gear? Anyone who masters delves level 20 should have mythic raid like ilevel gear from delves.

he should
but tbh it seems delusional to think the difficulty of delves will be anywhere close to mythic raiding...

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We had the same problems with mythic+ dungeons

we still do, some specs are atrocious in m+ compared to "best" specs...
its problem in group but if you are on your own that will absolutely make difference between success and failure...

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I am also not claiming that as i know Blizzard will not add it. Their development rather likes to focus on minority gameplay like challenging mythic raids less than 1% of the players play up to completion.

and you think equaly challenging solo content would be different?
thats very naive... it would still be done by tiny minority just DIFFERENT minority of playerbase...

[huth]

Can't disagree on 1-3, but 4 is a conscious, deliberate, obvious decision to contrast Arthas and Anduin. Both have similar backgrounds, are faced with similar-ish situations, but where Arthas gave in to the temptations, Anduin has resisted them, even though he is doubting himself due to being tempted at all.



or: "Sure, Balnazzar was a Dreadlord, basically the Anti-Lightbringer, but he hated the same people I hate, so he's cool in my book."

I'd say those are mostly rather shallow comparisons anyway. This is almost like complaining the story is always "bad dudes attack, good guys fight back".


And yeah, if something confirms your biases, it's easy to overlook the "minor" issues they may have otherwise. Like trying to murder you.

[Kiivar86]

They did move the Kalimdor continent east at the start of Dragonflight. Could we be heading to Avaloren in a final Dragonflight patch, perhaps? Or could it be part of The Last Titan, so we don't have to revamp all of Northrend to create new zones?

I'm expecting it as a part of The Last Titan. They talked about us finding out a secret or something about the Titans in it, and the heretics seems a good way to learn of that or have it brought in.

Either extra content on top of Northrend revamp (I can't see us just getting Northrend alone) or patch content.

[Valysar]

I'm pretty sure the "New Beginnings" part in the questlog is just bugged. that's just the part after Fyrakk, where you check in with the other in Ohn'ahran Plains, the party and then Ysera departing

Nope imo it's the 10.2.5 epilogue

[Jaggler]

Nope imo it's the 10.2.5 epilogue

Nope. Pretty sure it's just a UI bug, considering the meta has all questlines (including New Beginnings) and is currently completeable.

[Xilurm]

Nope imo it's the 10.2.5 epilogue

So the cinematic where Tyrande pours the waters from Darnassus isn't ingame yet? I thought you get those after you defeat Fyrakk.

[Cheezits]

I think Avaloren is going to be the Arathi settlement that the devs have mentioned the Hallowsfall Arathi split from. It matches up with their placement as they could've sailed around the western side of Kalimdor to get to Khaz Algar.

The heretics angle is going to be vehemently anti-Titan, so I don't think it will be a focus of the TLT, but instead may be the next antagonists of the saga that will follow. And I think the saga will be mostly about the Light as it is not one of the two main focuses of the Worldsoul Saga (dealing with Void and Titans) but continues to be built up.

Not sure how Denathrius and Magatha will play into it but I feel both characters will survive past Worldsoul Saga in a way that Xalatath, Iridikron and Azshara may not.

[Sondrelk]

So the cinematic where Tyrande pours the waters from Darnassus isn't ingame yet? I thought you get those after you defeat Fyrakk.

You do. It's where you get the second tint of the Nelf heritage set.

[Eldryth]

I think Avaloren is going to be the Arathi settlement that the devs have mentioned the Hallowsfall Arathi split from.

Pretty sure that was just referring to Arathor, and they were explaining how the Hallowsfall Arathi were related to the Arathi that we already knew about, from the Arathi Highlands.

[plz delete account]

The guys who posted after you.

why not just add the ='name here' to [quote] so it's easier to see that?

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I think Avaloren is going to be the Arathi settlement that the devs have mentioned the Hallowsfall Arathi split from. It matches up with their placement as they could've sailed around the western side of Kalimdor to get to Khaz Algar.

The heretics angle is going to be vehemently anti-Titan, so I don't think it will be a focus of the TLT, but instead may be the next antagonists of the saga that will follow. And I think the saga will be mostly about the Light as it is not one of the two main focuses of the Worldsoul Saga (dealing with Void and Titans) but continues to be built up.

Not sure how Denathrius and Magatha will play into it but I feel both characters will survive past Worldsoul Saga in a way that Xalatath, Iridikron and Azshara may not.

Pretty sad if a fourth tier villain (Magatha) will survive, but Xalatath and Azshara won't tbh

Not only are the latter two fan favorites, but Azshara is one of the biggest characters in the warcraft franchise.

Magatha is just some... villain that occasionally stirs up a small amount of trouble

[Nymrohd]

I think Avaloren is going to be the Arathi settlement that the devs have mentioned the Hallowsfall Arathi split from. It matches up with their placement as they could've sailed around the western side of Kalimdor to get to Khaz Algar.

The heretics angle is going to be vehemently anti-Titan, so I don't think it will be a focus of the TLT, but instead may be the next antagonists of the saga that will follow. And I think the saga will be mostly about the Light as it is not one of the two main focuses of the Worldsoul Saga (dealing with Void and Titans) but continues to be built up.

Not sure how Denathrius and Magatha will play into it but I feel both characters will survive past Worldsoul Saga in a way that Xalatath, Iridikron and Azshara may not.

If Azshara dies, I'll riot. Xal and Iridikron I can see.

[Xilurm]

You do. It's where you get the second tint of the Nelf heritage set.

Yeah but is it in-game yet? I'm getting mixed responses here.

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Two new cutscenes on Wowhead are up.

[milkmustache]

Jesus christ, that Tyr cutscene.

"Give us the disc."
"No."
"But... Tyr is such a nice guy."
"Fine. I don't need it anyway."

I'm hardly exaggerating. I understand I'm missing context of the quest diaglogue, but man. Another content slamdunk for your favorite streamers and youtubers to rightfully shit on. Please Blizzard, pivot from this type of writing come 11.0.

[Makorus]

Jesus christ, that Tyr cutscene.

"Give us the disc."
"No."
"But... Tyr is such a nice guy."
"Fine. I don't need it anyway."

I'm hardly exaggerating. I understand I'm missing context of the quest diaglogue, but man. Another content slamdunk for your favorite streamers and youtubers to rightfully shit on. Please Blizzard, pivot from this type of writing come 11.0.

I mean, she can just timetravel to before she gave the disc.

That's why timetravel stories are idiotic.