Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Kiivar86]

I like to try to be optimistic of things but yeesh the Elisande cutscene is mediocre at best. Maybe leaves a hook that there's some alternate version that won out I suppose but bleh.

And the Tyr one is also just nothing.

[Xilurm]

I wasn't playing during Legion, can someone explain to me what that was? I know Elisande has something to do with the timeways and that she has Tyr's disc. But does this cutscene take place in the present, or during some timetravel scenario? Elisande is dead after the Nighthold raid, right? So they obviously can't bring her back because that would be a time paradox right? Because it would mean she would need to go back there just to die.

[Skildar]

I mean, she can just timetravel to before she gave the disc.

That's why timetravel stories are idiotic.

Depends on what rules you set for the timetravel. Does she rewind time and just preserve memories of "if I had acted this way this would have happened", does she transport her body to the past and exist as her past and future self in the same instant and create an alternate reality? Is the reality we're seeing already encompasses all the timetravel that might have happened, like we cross path with a Chromie from the future many times.

They all have their thing that can deliver an interesting fantasy. But it should and must be contained in an ever growing world like Warcraft. And this is why I don't like Nozdormu getting all his powers back or having a titan mastering time magic, their powers are not contained and they will for sure go "yeah I knew all of this would happen and I chose to ignore it even though I have no valid reason for ever doing so but trust me it is important for our reality's sake".

Even Elisande goes "I could not envision this development and then carries on to explain how she acted the best scenario she was able to forsee in order to protect her people" and it will never be explained why she couldn't foresee our victory over the legion.

[Makorus]

I wasn't playing during Legion, can someone explain to me what that was? I know Elisande has something to do with the timeways and that she has Tyr's disc. But does this cutscene take place in the present, or during some timetravel scenario? Elisande is dead after the Nighthold raid, right? So they obviously can't bring her back because that would be a time paradox right? Because it would mean she would need to go back there just to die.

We don't know the context.

Simple as that.

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Depends on what rules you set for the timetravel. Does she rewind time and just preserve memories of "if I had acted this way this would have happened", does she transport her body to the past and exist as her past and future self in the same instant and create an alternate reality? Is the reality we're seeing already encompasses all the timetravel that might have happened, like we cross path with a Chromie from the future many times.

They all have their thing that can deliver an interesting fantasy. But it should and must be contained in an ever growing world like Warcraft. And this is why I don't like Nozdormu getting all his powers back or having a titan mastering time magic, their powers are not contained and they will for sure go "yeah I knew all of this would happen and I chose to ignore it even though I have no valid reason for ever doing so but trust me it is important for our reality's sake".

Even Elisande goes "I could not envision this development and then carries on to explain how she acted the best scenario she was able to forsee in order to protect her people" and it will never be explained why she couldn't foresee our victory over the legion.

The problem is that Blizzard doesn't establish any rules.

No instance of Timetraveling was ever good in WoW, simple as.

[Pheraz]

Can't disagree on 1-3, but 4 is a conscious, deliberate, obvious decision to contrast Arthas and Anduin. Both have similar backgrounds, are faced with similar-ish situations, but where Arthas gave in to the temptations, Anduin has resisted them, even though he is doubting himself due to being tempted at all.



or: "Sure, Balnazzar was a Dreadlord, basically the Anti-Lightbringer, but he hated the same people I hate, so he's cool in my book."

Yeah you are right. Anduin is fine and the point was a bit exaggerated to make me look a little smarter than I am xD
Anduin story is pretty cool

[Ersula]

Even Elisande goes "I could not envision this development and then carries on to explain how she acted the best scenario she was able to forsee in order to protect her people" and it will never be explained why she couldn't foresee our victory over the legion.

The most obviously explanation would be that the scenario where we succeeded necessitated her death. Assuming she is actually dead. What is unclear is which alternate timelines the bronze allow to exist & which they don't.

[Alanar]

Ha I knew it..

Elisande: the power is mine!
We: can we please have it?
Elisande: No.
We: please?
Elisande: oke sure.

And Vyranoth not being there for Tyr.

Both were big dissappointments as usual.
Hoped for more, this was just uch..

[Nymrohd]

I will say when it came to Amirdrassil, the cinematics were just crap but imo the quests around it and the interactions available where very decent. So I'll hope for a repeat.

[Makorus]

Ha I knew it..

Elisande: the power is mine!
We: can we please have it?
Elisande: No.
We: please?
Elisande: oke sure.

And Vyranoth not being there for Tyr.

Both were big dissappointments as usual.
Hoped for more, this was just uch..

Can't believe you finished the chapter before it even got released.

[Alanar]

I wasn't playing during Legion, can someone explain to me what that was? I know Elisande has something to do with the timeways and that she has Tyr's disc. But does this cutscene take place in the present, or during some timetravel scenario? Elisande is dead after the Nighthold raid, right? So they obviously can't bring her back because that would be a time paradox right? Because it would mean she would need to go back there just to die.

We have nothing really to explain this. The end of the raid for her in Legion was vague at best. She helps us, but not physically. Is she dead? Not sure. We dont even know if this is before or after her death and we still dont have reason why it was there in the first place.

She only says: It contains knowledge to help her people, so only logial to think this is before. It all doesnt make much sense with no context. Its vague.

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Can't believe you finished the chapter before it even got released.

Wowhead is your friend.

Cutscenes are up. You see the paladins arrive and ask her to give it back. Its very weird..

[Sondrelk]

Yeah but is it in-game yet? I'm getting mixed responses here.

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Two new cutscenes on Wowhead are up.

It is definitely in-game. Did them last Thursday after killing Fyrakk, so take it from me.

[Alanar]

The most obviously explanation would be that the scenario where we succeeded necessitated her death. Assuming she is actually dead. What is unclear is which alternate timelines the bronze allow to exist & which they don't.

Idk maybe a hint is that she talks still about her people. Her people are safe for a while now, as is Suramar.

Also, what possible knowledge did she get from the disc, that is relevant for us right now?, also with what I just said about the status of her people and city.

I have a feeling this will be one of those things that will stay vague. Just as Elisande her death.

[plz delete account]

I like to try to be optimistic of things but yeesh the Elisande cutscene is mediocre at best. Maybe leaves a hook that there's some alternate version that won out I suppose but bleh.

And the Tyr one is also just nothing.

Elisande cutscene?

[Throren]

wasnt the quest supposed to reward the silver/white dragon scales?

[Kiivar86]

Elisande cutscene?

We go to Elisande back in time to get the disc for Tyr.

[milkmustache]

Cutscene quality aside, god do I miss Suramar. Please Blizzard make player Nightborne look like NPC Nightborne and give us more of their armor. It's so well made.

Also, little Runas easter egg :')

[Makorus]

We have nothing really to explain this. The end of the raid for her in Legion was vague at best. She helps us, but not physically. Is she dead? Not sure. We dont even know if this is before or after her death and we still dont have reason why it was there in the first place.

She only says: It contains knowledge to help her people, so only logial to think this is before. It all doesnt make much sense with no context. Its vague.

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Wowhead is your friend.

Cutscenes are up. You see the paladins arrive and ask her to give it back. Its very weird..

Yep, two cutscenes are up.

There's more to a questchain than cutscenes, especially when the cutscenes are legit 30 seconds long

[Well Done Steak]

There's no follow up for the tyr line?? Is there supposed to be a part two?

[milkmustache]

There's no follow up for the tyr line?? Is there supposed to be a part two?

That's my feeling too. After finishing the questline, I'm just kinda shocked that that's it.

This must be a casualty of whatever same focus shift caused Fyrakk to be the final boss of the expansion. There was a really big buildup for Tyr throughout all of the story, and we finally see him for it to just be "Hey, I'm back. Lemme figure out what changed." The Tyr's Guard is also pretty strange, I think a lot of their dialogue suffers from the same writing as the rest of the issues this expansion had.

And no silver/white scales is a weird one.

I think there has to be a follow up soon. If not, man what an odd way to end an expansion long storyline.

EDIT: Even Wowhead is a little confused about this being the end of the storyline.

[Nymrohd]

I mean they already messed it up with Koranos and Tyr showing up at Amirdrassil with Tyr saying nothing and Koranos behaving as if Tyr went senile.
So I guess there is going to be a second part.