Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Cheezits]

Also Talanji coming back in TWW (spoiled, unless its a placeholder which I doubt) makes sense if we recruit Amani in Midnight and Drakkari in TLT.

[Alanar]

Also Talanji coming back in TWW (spoiled, unless its a placeholder which I doubt) makes sense if we recruit Amani in Midnight and Drakkari in TLT.

Idk if thats an indication, she could literally just be there, since they havent used her much after bfa.

I do hope zul aman and that zone gets a update and be relevant. Its a cool zone.

[Khaza-R]

We know the Nerubian Queen is the final boss of TWW’s first raid tier, but who do you guys see being the final bosses of the other two raid tiers? Seems like there’s some Light fanatics in Hallowfall, so I’d like a Light-themed mid expansion raid. Would be a nice breather from all the Void-focused villains we’ll be getting. Seeing as how Xal’atath is called the “Harbinger”, it would make sense that she’s the final boss of TWW, leading into Midnight

I am hoping we will keep descending deeper as the expansion goes on. My guess is we will continue to keep chasing Xal'atath deeper into Azeroth as the expansion goes on until we confront her

Raid 1 - Nerub'ar Palace / Queen Ansurek
Raid 2 - This could be anything but I am hoping they keep with a classical underground fantasy theme
Raid 3 - I think we will stumble upon an underground area where the Black Empire is still thriving and have the final confrontation with Xal'atath

[Cheezits]

I am hoping we will keep descending deeper as the expansion goes on. My guess is we will continue to keep chasing Xal'atath deeper into Azeroth as the expansion goes on until we confront her

Raid 1 - Nerub'ar Palace / Queen Ansurek
Raid 2 - This could be anything but I am hoping they keep with a classical underground fantasy theme
Raid 3 - I think we will stumble upon an underground area where the Black Empire is still thriving and have the final confrontation with Xal'atath

I think Raid 3 will be directly underneath Silithus and the Chamber of Heart, there is a road there that the Earthen use but is abandoned. Feels like set up to eventually use it.

Raid 2 will be some kind of filler/minor story and I assume it will be tied to the Arathi. But it could be a big swerve like Undermine.

[Sondrelk]

I will be insanely surprised if the Amani aren't a helpful faction in 11.0 and potentially an AR as well. They will probably get a whole zone and hub to space out the Elf/Human theme of North Lordaeron.

The biggest wildcard is the the status of the Plaguelands and whether or not they will even be in the expansion.

I still stand by that the expansion will take place north of the Thandol Span, as that is both the best firm line to draw, and also has everything you could need in an expansion.
A faction hub for both Alliance and Horde if Quel'thalas is hostile for whatever reason. Scarlet Crusade if you want to reuse the Hallowfall assets. Plaguelands for a clear B-plot to end the whole Arthas thing. A place for Trolls to have a storyline outside just Zul'Aman if you go to the Hinterlands.
It's even a perfect size for an expansion if you want to remake everything. With zones that are optional in regards to how broad you want to go. Arathi Highlands being on account of already having been revamped, or easily useable if you want a storyline with the old promise Arathor made to the High Elves.

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I think Raid 3 will be directly underneath Silithus and the Chamber of Heart, there is a road there that the Earthen use but is abandoned. Feels like set up to eventually use it.

Raid 2 will be some kind of filler/minor story and I assume it will be tied to the Arathi. But it could be a big swerve like Undermine.

I would not be shocked if the expansion lasts a year, with the big instances being two raids and a megadungeon. My guess being the Nerubian raid, then a Hallowfall megadungeon, followed by wherever the road the Earthen are guarding leads for the final raid.
Silithids is a possibility as well, and I wouldn't be surprised if the mosnters the Arathi are fighting from across the sea are in fact Aqir from the hives beneath Silithus.

[milkmustache]

I think Raid 3 will be directly underneath Silithus and the Chamber of Heart, there is a road there that the Earthen use but is abandoned. Feels like set up to eventually use it.

Raid 2 will be some kind of filler/minor story and I assume it will be tied to the Arathi. But it could be a big swerve like Undermine.

Kind of agree with an Undermine possibility in Raid 2, but it'd have to tie into the story really well.

Also agree on Raid 3. It would be so sick to have a part of the raid be descending down the chips and cracks of Gorribal and fighting hordes of XYZ baddies.

[Woggmer]

There could be a troll raid in Midnight.

Gnolls are too unserious of a threat. It would feel like filler

True, but they're (the gnolls) the only known race we've met so far that actually uses Decay magic (which is different from Death magic) and it isn't hard for them to learn how to use decay magic.

[Cheezits]

Yeah good point that we don't know if there's going to be 3 raids for certain. I don't think there has to be. While there's nothing to prove for it numerically, just based on social media, I get the feeling people care less and less about raids/dungeons in general. And Blizz already hinted at faster expansions while not feeling like they could confirm what that means, which I think implies shorter expansions than DF.

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True, but they're (the gnolls) the only known race we've met so far that actually uses Decay magic (which is different from Death magic) and it isn't hard for them to learn how to use decay magic.

Nathrezim have been using it since day one (WC3). That's their locust stuff.

[Varodoc]

You mean an indigenous people didn't want to throw their bodies in front of the unstoppable force who's expressed goal was to destroy the civilization that was trying to push you off your land for 1000 years?

They had literally no reason to fight the scourge. You forget an "existential threat" is only obvious to the audience, not the people who are living inside this fantasy setting who lack an all-encompassing perspective.

This post contradicts itself immediately.

This poster claims that the "Amani knew that the Scourge was unstoppable", but then they claim that the Amani "did not know from their perspective that the Scourge was an existential threat".

It just goes to show you how impossible it is to defend the Amani and how futile it is to die on that hill. Any "argument" you can hope to find in defence of the Amani is guaranteed to be inconsistent and full of holes.

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Also Talanji coming back in TWW (spoiled, unless its a placeholder which I doubt) makes sense if we recruit Amani in Midnight and Drakkari in TLT.

No we don't know that she'll come back. As you said, for all we know it's a placeholder. It's way too early to take for granted that Talanji will appear.

Either way, if the Amani in Midnight become Playable, they will be a Neutral race, so that the Alliance can get the Troll model like the Horde got the Dwarf model.

[Sondrelk]

Yeah good point that we don't know if there's going to be 3 raids for certain. I don't think there has to be. While there's nothing to prove for it numerically, just based on social media, I get the feeling people care less and less about raids/dungeons in general. And Blizz already hinted at faster expansions while not feeling like they could confirm what that means, which I think implies shorter expansions than DF.

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Nathrezim have been using it since day one (WC3). That's their locust stuff.

I imagine it will be easier to figure out whether the next expansion will be shorter, or the usual length depending on how elaborate the Fated Season is this time around. The one we got in DF was nice, but was far from a proper season, and definitely isnt going to pass muster as a replacement for a full season of content.
DF has the benefit in this regard in that it can easily be 18 months and put WoW releases back on track for late Summer/early Autumn expansion release. I very much doubt that future expansion can do the same and end up with an expansion release 6 months earlier than the previous one, which would mean either cut it back further to twleve months, or have something worth our time to keep the usual 24 month expansions.

[Nymrohd]

Btw has anyone managed to log into the "release candidate" PTR? Cause I've tried with multiple characters to no luck.

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Nathrezim have been using it since day one (WC3). That's their locust stuff.

Early on when the Gnoll-Decay arc came up I suggested that there are probably many demons left all over Azeroth since the Legion invasion and a Nathrezim maquerading as a gnoll or otherwise to raise an army and destabilize things is very much what they'd do.

[milkmustache]

Early on when the Gnoll-Decay arc came up I suggested that there are probably many demons left all over Azeroth since the Legion invasion and a Nathrezim maquerading as a gnoll or otherwise to raise an army and destabilize things is very much what they'd do.

Using decay magic as a way to reintigrate both a Scourge-like group and the Legion is a really cool idea. Doesn't have to be Legion/Wrath world ending threats, but condensed power cells that pose a large threat only due to the fact that they possess a dangerous magic that can be misused by a larger threat, i.e. Iridikron and Xal/Void. Plus it's a cool way to make things feel very similar to WC3 enemies without resetting the power scale.

[Nymrohd]

I'd assume that if we are to revisit the Scourge it will be tied to either some Scourge remnant (e.g. some of the original San'layn are still missing) or possibly Helya (who should be back in Helheim and might be involved in any plot going forward).

[Dracullus]

I am hoping we will keep descending deeper as the expansion goes on. My guess is we will continue to keep chasing Xal'atath deeper into Azeroth as the expansion goes on until we confront her

Raid 1 - Nerub'ar Palace / Queen Ansurek
Raid 2 - This could be anything but I am hoping they keep with a classical underground fantasy theme
Raid 3 - I think we will stumble upon an underground area where the Black Empire is still thriving and have the final confrontation with Xal'atath

Personally I hope 11.1 will be something completely different, something like Tel'Abim zone and then return to underground and core of Azeroth raid with Xalatath as final boss.

[Nymrohd]

I am hoping we will keep descending deeper as the expansion goes on. My guess is we will continue to keep chasing Xal'atath deeper into Azeroth as the expansion goes on until we confront her

Raid 1 - Nerub'ar Palace / Queen Ansurek
Raid 2 - This could be anything but I am hoping they keep with a classical underground fantasy theme
Raid 3 - I think we will stumble upon an underground area where the Black Empire is still thriving and have the final confrontation with Xal'atath

I would fully expect the last raid to be at the core of the planet in some Titan facility.
The second one could be anything but I assume it will have something to do with the light crystal in Harrowfall.

And I hope that if this time they go for just three raid tiers, they consider making some smaller raids on the side.

[Nize]

Personally I hope 11.1 will be something completely different, something like Tel'Abim zone and then return to underground and core of Azeroth raid with Xalatath as final boss.

Perhaps it could be something above ground off the shore of the Earthen island and deal with an Earthen story that patch, much like 10.1 was dealing with Dracthyr story. Location is near, still tied to the expansion, and changes it up before going back underground. Perhaps a threat introduced that isn't dealt with in the first two zones that could develop the Earthen and involve Moira in the story.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

This post contradicts itself immediately.

This poster claims that the "Amani knew that the Scourge was unstoppable", but then they claim that the Amani "did not know from their perspective that the Scourge was an existential threat".

It just goes to show you how impossible it is to defend the Amani and how futile it is to die on that hill. Any "argument" you can hope to find in defence of the Amani is guaranteed to be inconsistent and full of holes.

Not sure you’d call it a “defence” but the reason why they didn’t help is pretty obvious.

They didn’t know what the scope of the scourge/legion and they didn’t care as they were targeting there enemies and left the trolls more or less unharmed.

[Murlocos]

Btw has anyone managed to log into the "release candidate" PTR? Cause I've tried with multiple characters to no luck.

It's largely busted still. Characters all have 2147 million health, random debuffs being applied. I think the Dragon Isles instance is totally down, and logging into other continents is hit or miss. I'm not sure what's happening, but this has been going on for over a week now and persisted through yesterday's build.

[Khaza-R]

I think Raid 3 will be directly underneath Silithus and the Chamber of Heart, there is a road there that the Earthen use but is abandoned. Feels like set up to eventually use it.

Raid 2 will be some kind of filler/minor story and I assume it will be tied to the Arathi. But it could be a big swerve like Undermine.

Undermine would be quite amazing. I so I hope you're right.

I just hope if the Arathi storyline is 11.1 that it doesn't end being tied to AU Yrel, because I sort of fear that's where its going.

[Woggmer]

Nathrezim have been using it since day one (WC3). That's their locust stuff.

Yeah, but the Nathrezim's lore only raises a lot more questions than answers in how involved they'll be especially since there isn't a Jailer's grand scheme nor any Burning Legion anymore. All they can do now is try to protect Denathrius until he makes a comeback or unless somehow Sargeras escapes from the Titans and tries to unleash hell on us again.

But the gnolls are the first time they ever directly reference decay magic, in its true essence while the Nathrezim use locusts which can get vague in how it works.

That said, it doesn't have to be gnolls or Nathrezim. Other creatures can know how to use decay if they know how... It's not one of the major forces, but an elemental power (like even needing totems to enhance what it can do.)